what kind of oil for my lathe ?

Grizzly Adams

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So, thanks for all the previous hints. Lathe is set up and I made a few chips, working on some aluminum bar stock to start. Manual is one of those poor translations that makes you read between the lines. It calls for Shell tonna oil 27 lubricant in the gear box, then it talks about Shell telus 27 oil, which is confusing and I gather is an odd ball item. Looking for a suggested alternative. Thanks

Grizz
 
ISO32 hydraulic oil
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Tonna is a slideway oil. It's an oil that is very tacky with low stiction. I bought a 5 gallon pail of equivalent Nemco ISO68 waylube oil from Gregg Distributors for about $85, iirc. They don't have anything close to a 27/32 weight. Any industrial oil supplier will have something like it. Vistac is the Chevron version. Vactra is Mobil but rumor has it they took out some of the tackifiers lately.

Tellus 27 was kind of spindle/turbine oil but kind of a regular hydraulic oil, as well. Most common in lathes is a 32 weight turbine oil. Spindle oil in most lathes is just a highly refined hydraulic oil so you should be safe with a high quality AW ISO32. I'm on my phone right now but I have some nice cross-reference charts on my PC that I can post later. Do you need ISO68 waylube for the apron and the ways? I can sell you a few liters for cheaper than the folks on Amazon.
 
A real general rule of thumb is if the headstock does not get hot, and neither does the motor, then like as not, it'll be fine. If it clatters, heavier oil will quiet it somewhat.
About the only thing to steer clear of, is detergent motor oils, as the detergents are hygroscopic, which is moisture absorbing. This is great if you want the inside of your engine to stay rust free, as the heat of operations will drive the moisture off and eventually out, but absorbing moisture from the air, is not so good for your machines. Or so the theory goes. :)

Google will sort you out on cross references and substitutions.

Iirc AW32 is a pretty common weight used in tractor hydraulics and transmissions. Easy to find locally.

Guys have used chainsaw bar oil as way lube, but it doesn't have quite the same needs as way lube does, being on a one way trip through. A couple litres of way lube can usually be got from the likes of KBC Tools or a machine tool supplier. I ordered in a 20 litre bucket through my local Lordco. It wasn't as cheap as Rifleman paid!

Cheers
Trev
 
I had also tried to use something other than way oil on the ways. Straight hydraulic oil, gear oil, engine oil, 3in1, etc. But nothing works near as well as real way oil! I highly recommend getting some. It's also good for the leadscrew and its drive gears because it sticks really well without falling off.
 
Mobil Vactra 2 for the Tonna and Mobil Nuto 32 for the Tellus 27 is what I use in my lathe that calls for the same lubricants.
 
The manuals for both of my lathes call for 80-90 gear oil. Most gear oil is non detergent.

If your gear box is clattering/heating then something is wrong.

I like airline/compressor oil for the ways. Not because it's better than way oil, although I don't notice a difference, but it's what I have on hand all the time. It wipes off easily when it gets dirty and doesn't leave any staining.

These machines shouldn't be heating up. There is nothing hooked directly to most of them to generate heat. Some do have large electric motors underneath the gearbox but it should be well ventilated for cooling.

The only thing that will make most home lathes get HOT is FRICTION. FRICTION will destroy your gears, ways and bearings.

As for the oils recommended, I'm sure the companies manufacturing those machines know exactly what is required to run them at the levels they were intended for. Lubrication is a must. A lot of large refiners will make certain lubricants and sell them to different distributors, who put their own label and type onto the same product distributed by their competitors. The same thing happens with reloading powders.
 
The manuals for both of my lathes call for 80-90 gear oil. Most gear oil is non detergent.

If your gear box is clattering/heating then something is wrong.

I like airline/compressor oil for the ways. Not because it's better than way oil, although I don't notice a difference, but it's what I have on hand all the time. It wipes off easily when it gets dirty and doesn't leave any staining.

These machines shouldn't be heating up. There is nothing hooked directly to most of them to generate heat. Some do have large electric motors underneath the gearbox but it should be well ventilated for cooling.

The only thing that will make most home lathes get HOT is FRICTION. FRICTION will destroy your gears, ways and bearings.

As for the oils recommended, I'm sure the companies manufacturing those machines know exactly what is required to run them at the levels they were intended for. Lubrication is a must. A lot of large refiners will make certain lubricants and sell them to different distributors, who put their own label and type onto the same product distributed by their competitors. The same thing happens with reloading powders.

Gears moving through the oil, generates heat. That's why we put transmission coolers on vehicles that are under heavy load.

In the case of a lathe, generally a hobbyist won't normally run it fast enough, for long enough, for it to make a difference, but it can be done. Lots of different machines out there, with lots of different oiling systems. Best is to know what you have, and why it needs a particular oil or fluid, but in the end, any oil is better than none.

Putting, say, 10 weight oil into a gearbox designed around 80-90Wt, you will likely not like the noise levels. Conversely, if you ran 80-90Wt in a gearbox designed for 10Wt, it is liable to load up your electric motor (which may only be of marginal quality anyways, in a low end Import) and like as not, the whole system will get warm from the added friction.

The place I used to work, had 4 or 5 different oils for different machines, and different uses on the same machine. Easier to use what is called for, as a general state of affairs. But ya gotta do what ya gotta do, it won't usually cause any major problems, as long as you are using something of a similar nature to what was called for. My Colchester's manual calls for Telus 27 in the headstock and gearbox, but says if it is not available to use an oil of the specs they supply (temperature/viscosity rating stuff, looks like gibberish, but I am positive it means a lot to a Petroleum Engineer!), my Emco uses AW32 in the headstock, and my Myford uses plain old dino squeezings, 30 Wt IIRC, in a total loss system.

Use a lube oil for lube, and a cutting oil for cutting, though. I see lots of videos of guys slobbering motor oil on their work when they are cutting or drilling, ad that is counterproductive, unless the intent was to produce lots of smoke, a sign of heat, in turn, a sign of too much friction happening.

In a pinch, animal fats work OK for cutting, though they can go bad between uses, if you are not using the stuff up. Lard Oil, was commonly called out as the cutting fluid of choice, a mixture of Lard, and olive oil to thin it enough to keep it liquid.
Bacon fat works too. Salt content though, and hunger pangs! :)
Whether you buy some stinky pipe cutting oil, or use a emulsified oil cutting fluid (my preference), use a cutting fluid, not a lube, for cutting. FWIW, WD40 works pretty well for cutting Aluminum. The old texts called out Kerosene for that, WD40 is mostly Stodddard Solvent, which is pretty close to the same stuff.

Cheers
Trev
 
Gears moving through the oil, generates heat. That's why we put transmission coolers on vehicles that are under heavy load.


I understand where you're coming from but not a good analogy. Auto transmissions get heat from the engines they are attached to. In some cases they also get heat from the radiators they share with the engine to not only cool them but bring them up to recommended operating temps. Also, heavy loads on their gear trains/bands will generate heat because the fluid film thickness is reduced and friction ensues.

I haven't heard of gears moving through oil generating heat but I suppose under certain conditions it could.
 
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