What kinda groups at 100 yards with stock m305 with good glass?
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This is a rare question on this forum....Kidding! Seriously- I have yet to shoot mine from a rock solid rest on a bench, but around 2" with Hornady 150gr SST ammo is easy. Shooting from the knee I can keep five shots inside 4" pretty easily. Everyone seems to get the odd one in five "flyer", but the bottom line is that most of the Norc 305's are plenty accurate to hunt deer, goat, pigs or Taliban out to 200 yards easily for the average shooter. Many CGN shooters would have rigs that keep Terry Taliban worried or dead out to 500m or more. But I am not advocating shooting anyone, I would (for the record) always advise negotiating first. 
Soyoman1980
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It's kind of a crap shoot to be honest. If you get a good M305 without any factory problems then they shoot great. I have two of them, one shoots huge groups no matter what I use for ammo or optics, the other seems to be anywhere from 1-3 inches. I usually get my best groupings with 150gr Federal Power-Shock. The Norinco 7.62x51mm ammo is probly the worst, It's over-pressured and unpredictable. My prime shooter has a Nikon Monarch 3 4-16x40mm with a mil-dot reticle. I call it my M305 Scoutish.
One thing is for certain, make sure you get a good solid mount. I went through 2 before I settled on the CASM from M14.ca. A good mount makes all the difference.
One thing is for certain, make sure you get a good solid mount. I went through 2 before I settled on the CASM from M14.ca. A good mount makes all the difference.
walleyed99
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I would second the Federal Power shock 150's as well. I have shot my best groups with factory loads with this ammo, have had 4 of 5 shots within an inch with a single flyer maybe 1 to 1.5 inches off several times. And for factory ammo it reasonable, Norc surplus is great for plinking and blasting away, but not as accurate as home rolled or Factory rolled. At least not for me
Not impossible, if you sort the rifle out first, and I don't mean spend a bunch of money, just tune her up some.
I don't use surplus so couldn't comment on that, but with handloads I would say your in the game at 2MOA.
Good luck.
As to groups, a lot of guys are hovering around 1MOA, with handloads or GOOD (expensive) factory stuff, and the flyer will always be there LOL.
"...with good optics..." Won't make any difference if you use poor quality ammo or ammo that your rifle doesn't shoot well. No scope makes any difference to accuracy. It just lets you see the target better. It will not make a poor shooting rifle or one firing poor ammo shoot better.
"...want a plinker to shoot 12" gongs at 500 yards..." Can you see a 12" gong at 500? Ever shoot any rifle at 500?
"...want a plinker to shoot 12" gongs at 500 yards..." Can you see a 12" gong at 500? Ever shoot any rifle at 500?
Yes. Once. Did fairly well too, even with iron sights.
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This is a rare question on this forum....Kidding! Seriously- I have yet to shoot mine from a rock solid rest on a bench, but around 2" with Hornady 150gr SST ammo is easy. Shooting from the knee I can keep five shots inside 4" pretty easily. Everyone seems to get the odd one in five "flyer", but the bottom line is that most of the Norc 305's are plenty accurate to hunt deer, goat, pigs or Taliban out to 200 yards easily for the average shooter. Many CGN shooters would have rigs that keep Terry Taliban worried or dead out to 500m or more. But I am not advocating shooting anyone, I would (for the record) always advise negotiating first.
Absolutely love this post
And I wholeheartedly agree, a quality mount and equal quality rings are essential for optimum results with this platform and optics rated and tested on magnum calibers (in my opinion)
wayupnorth
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- Northern Alberta
i picked up one of the M305's from Marstar here month or so back.
i dont have glass on it or plan on putting any glass on it but with shooting iron i was grouping 5rd @ 2-4" at 30yrs/55yrs/109yrs and was hitting 8" group at 300yrds.
id imagine that putting some glass on it would cut those numbers in half.
i dont have glass on it or plan on putting any glass on it but with shooting iron i was grouping 5rd @ 2-4" at 30yrs/55yrs/109yrs and was hitting 8" group at 300yrds.
id imagine that putting some glass on it would cut those numbers in half.
LordEvilPepper
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the ones I owned, 2-4 inchs for a first 50 some on rounds then they perminatly widdened out to 8-16 inch groups at 100m
Turkinator
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16 inch groups at 100 yards? I have a very hard time lol. Did the barrel have a 45 degree bend in it? Are you sure you werent shooting a pellet gun or a pistol with 1.5" barrel? That is the worst accuracy I've ever heard of.
LordEvilPepper
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one blew up the other was about too, ... soft bolts creating excessive head space, the whole gun rattling apart no matter how much loctite you use, having to shim the gas system every 150 rounds, so yeah they shot like ####, scope or no scope. but lets not rehash this and accept the fact that my m305's shot 8-16 inches, my friends didn't shoot much better (8-12) and that your experiences may vary.
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Ardent
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In reality? 2 to 5 MOA, (2-5" at 100 yards) and I shoot pretty well. On the internet? MOA Norincos abound. The problem isn't that folks are lying, it's that few have much background in target shooting and understand what MOA means (as a statement, it means the rifle is capable of that or better every group, everytime out), or just how you describe average groupings.
Many will put 3 or 4 rounds into 1.5" and suddenly believe everything going right, this is what their gun is capable every time. The best M14/M1 builders struggle to build 1.5" guns with a lot more know how and a lot better materials, like Krieger barrels, than Norinco's manufacturer can muster. So like many things in life and especially online, take the reliably 1.5" Norcs with a couple sacks of salt. At a battle rifle match a long while back this was confirmed to me, not one 1.5MOA Norc was demostrated, despite that being in the heyday of the really "good" Norcs.
Those who have been around long enough in the community or CGN to know who Laz is, should find it interesting he only ever saw one truly MOA / 1" a 100 yards M14.
Many will put 3 or 4 rounds into 1.5" and suddenly believe everything going right, this is what their gun is capable every time. The best M14/M1 builders struggle to build 1.5" guns with a lot more know how and a lot better materials, like Krieger barrels, than Norinco's manufacturer can muster. So like many things in life and especially online, take the reliably 1.5" Norcs with a couple sacks of salt. At a battle rifle match a long while back this was confirmed to me, not one 1.5MOA Norc was demostrated, despite that being in the heyday of the really "good" Norcs.
Those who have been around long enough in the community or CGN to know who Laz is, should find it interesting he only ever saw one truly MOA / 1" a 100 yards M14.
