What makes a semi reliable?

kjohn said:
You fired 7000 rounds in 3 days?? Geez, that's just over seven cases (or flats, if you insist) per day! 1750 rounds?!?
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yes second day I missed the 3000 bird mark by 150 didn't get a free shirt ,you have a gun boy who loads and you must wear gloves barrel gets too hot ,5 shots all lead ,shoot as many shells as you can.We (13 of us ) shot 70,000 doves in 3 days yes not making that up .20 and 28 g benelli's
 
struff55 said:
7000 per day that’s 4.8 rounds per min on a 8 hr day
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...7000 in 3 days 2.5 cases average but cranked it on the second day sorry to hijack the thread but semi autos are all now becoming very reliable if there not there gone..
 
A clean well lubed and timed system with quality and consistent ammo make semis reliable. The quality and consistency in tolerances both help and hinder performance. A tightly specked gun will be more effected by fowling then a sloppy one. Like the ak47. It will function with sand in its action because of loose tolerances.
Ive had a pair of rem 1100s before. One could go 500 rounds in summer heat without failure. The second one would fail half way thru the 2nd round of skeet.
My beretta a400s will easily run even when filthy. Ive had an asena semi that i was much lower quality but would cycle every load i out thru it.
 
"What makes a Semi Reliable?"
Easy enough question to answer, it's the same answer that makes anything mechanical reliable. A well engineered design, made with proper fitting parts that are well lubricated.
Many a semi will function well into the 10s of thousands of shells without a cleaning just fine, but they are USUSALLY, the better fit and finish more expensive semis, such as the Beretta and Benelli. You get what you pay for. My Fabarm XLR never skips a beat, even with 7/8oz target loads, same went for my Winchester SX3.
Iv'e not had the pleasure of owning a Turkish semi, but i do have a Turkish made pump, and they work just as well as anything else, the only issue i found was parts availability. They are made to a price point remember, and as such the parts aren't as high of quality as with the pricier guns. My forearm iron broke after about 12,000rds, 3 years to find parts, and 120$ later and it's back to running as smooth as day one.

As to gas versus inertia, take your pick, they both work well, some better then others. The Franchi is essentially just a Benelli M2 for less money(about a grand on sale), 2 of my cousins use them, no issues at all. Gas guns also reliable, some can be picky about shell power, Not really a lot going on with them, keep's clean-ish and they work, the Remington 1100 comes to mind for issues, O-Rings are a wear point, cheap easy fix, keep a few in your range bag and dont worry about it.
If you like the Armsan, buy it, just dont be surprised if it lets go after 10k shells.
 
You have to understand at some level that not everyone can afford too of the line. There are plenty of well functioning firearms at mid range prices and also some really expensive turds out there.
 
Super Mario said:
You have to understand at some level that not everyone can afford too of the line. There are plenty of well functioning firearms at mid range prices and also some really expensive turds out there.
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No, there is nothing wrong with buying one of these guns, especially if budget doesn't allow for something expensive. Regarding my statements in this thread, I am merely pointing out that one should not buy one of these thinking that in the long term it will be on par with something 4 or 5 times the cost. Hey, my semi-auto is a 15 year old 1187 with a 26" barrel in black finish. Lot of people poke fun at me but it has never failed me and I can hit ducks like a darn with it.
 
Falconflyer said:
That's a statement I'd like to hear more about. Can you explain please?
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You can have a precision manufactured rifle, world class optics and high quality ammunition, without a quality magazine a semi-automatic (mag fed) firearm depends solely on the ability of that magazine for all the other components to work effectively and reliably.

If you have ever had a dud magazine, you never forget the experience. With pistol mags (now all external mags) I have numbered them, and its interesting to note that there is always that one mag that seems to the one that leads to a failure. I have tried to modify the lips, clean and lube, polish etc. If it still lets me down, it gets dumped permanently.

Candocad.
 
Candocad said:
You can have a precision manufactured rifle, world class optics and high quality ammunition, without a quality magazine a semi-automatic (mag fed) firearm depends solely on the ability of that magazine for all the other components to work effectively and reliably.

If you have ever had a dud magazine, you never forget the experience. With pistol mags (now all external mags) I have numbered them, and its interesting to note that there is always that one mag that seems to the one that leads to a failure. I have tried to modify the lips, clean and lube, polish etc. If it still lets me down, it gets dumped permanently.

Candocad.
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I get it and I have had a bad magazine before so I can relate however, in regards to the statement " without one all else is irrelevant " could you not have an exceptional magazine that works great but a bad gas system that won't reliably cycle rounds into the chamber? Or what about a trigger mechanism that is not reliable? Seems to me that one is no good without the other? So in other words none of the individual systems are "irrelevant".
 
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