Hotwheels81
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or just shoot thru the 1/2" drywall he is trying to use for cover...
What makes a shotgun tactical?
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or just shoot thru the 1/2" drywall he is trying to use for cover...
Greenhorse six
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Ach,so, Cover or concealment, But what else is on the other side of that dry wall?
I see your point,but it's not always good to shoot at what you can't see.
IchBinEinSniper
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In todays news:
"Tinfoil in short supply, stocks in Alcan soar as demand outstrips production..."
SHTF and HD? Where does everyone live? Its pretty quiet here in rural Ontario...
Holosights work great too, at just about any SG range, and if the battery goes dead, perhaps you should change it prior to every 5 years... but I still have LPA ghost sight which works good too.
"Tinfoil in short supply, stocks in Alcan soar as demand outstrips production..."
SHTF and HD? Where does everyone live? Its pretty quiet here in rural Ontario...
Holosights work great too, at just about any SG range, and if the battery goes dead, perhaps you should change it prior to every 5 years... but I still have LPA ghost sight which works good too.
Soo,Because you want to use better equipment,That means you don't have the skills to be doing this?
This is a forum about equipment, so that is what is focus on here.
I agree with you 100% on the skill of the guy behind the butt of the weapon being the most important,and having the proper mind site,I understand that,Gear will never replace skill,But why wouldn't you use the best gear you can get?
And shoot placemeant, put the red dot, on the bad guy body part that is showing.
And I know that many can't hit clays with the best optics out here, I have trouble doing it with GRS,Thats why I keep a Ray-bar front sight on my Ithaca 37[Had to put that in here.], But thats My needing more work.But again we're talking about a differnt kind of shooting, and you'e right about not needing them at across the room distance,just shoulder index and pull the trigger.But what about down the hallway?
But,why wouldn't you have the best you can get or afford on any weapon you're carrying.
P.S. I'am a Rifle man,but This is a good augment ,thanks.
There is no such thing as "the best". That best of anything is requesting an absolute which does not exist in a dynamic environment. There is optimal, or well suited but no best. The reddot or any other CCO is a huge benefit, but only for certain situations and/or circumstances. Inside ones home is not one of them. Most homes won't offer a shot any further than 10 yards. Using a precision aiming point such as a reddot with buckshot at such ranges is a waste of optic and no faster than finding a tritium front bead or using the beam centre of your attached light. All things equal, the reddot has its short comings. They are battery dependent, they must be turned on to be of any benefit, if the intensity isn't adjusted to the conditions the blooming and after glow can destroy your field of view and/or night vision. The optic could fall off the mount if improperly mounted/maintained. Iron sights are less prone to failure and offer a lower profile.
I'm not saying the reddot is the worst idea for a shotgun. You can definitely do business with one attached, its just not required and brings too many negatives to be an advantage over standard iron sights.
As you mentioned, a rifle is a far better option that offers its own distinct advantages that a shotgun does not.
TDC
If your HD firearm isn't loaded its useless. All firearms are treated as if they are loaded anyway so what would be the problem?
Maintaining your sight picture with a pump gun is a difficult task. It is further complicated with high levels of adrenaline. At the distances we're talking, its not a major problem but it does add to the drama. The important point here is that pointing an unloaded firearm at a threat is an ignorant action. We only cover targets in which we are willing to destroy. If you're willing to destroy the target in front of the muzzle why not ensure your shotgun is capable of fulfilling that request prior to covering the target.
There is no need to indicate that you are armed. Why tip your hand? The goal is to remove them from your home. The other option is to make a citizens arrest and command them to lie on the ground. If they want to test your status then its your call whether you engage or not. This type of situation is one you'll have to think about prior to clearing your home with the shotgun.
A home invasion is not the place or time to be improvising or beta testing your HD plan/gear. That statement indicates you have neither the mindset nor the tactics to deal with the situation. You're relying on Skill and gear to win the day. Neither will assure that win without the other two.
TDC
Greenhorse six
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Forgive me,I know that I do not have your superior intellect and education,but could it be that you are focusing on one aspect,"Home deffence",of the shotgun for combat? and not see how flexable it is?
From across the room out to say ,150yds [Saw something about fin stablelized ammo,pretty wicked stuff].
Why not have it set up for different "TACTICS?" It's not like you're going to say"Hey,I've got my long range set up,give me a minute to change it around,would you?"
From across the room out to say ,150yds [Saw something about fin stablelized ammo,pretty wicked stuff].
Why not have it set up for different "TACTICS?" It's not like you're going to say"Hey,I've got my long range set up,give me a minute to change it around,would you?"
You're right, the situation can and does change. The answer is to run a rifle.
TDC
Greenhorse six
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yyyyy, For home defence,you're suppose to gather everyone in one room and wait it out,as far as this go's you can use a 28" barrel duck gun,how much training does that require?
To paraphrase what TDC has been saying,"YOU ARE THE WEAPON AND YOUR GUN IS A TOOL."
To paraphrase what TDC has been saying,"YOU ARE THE WEAPON AND YOUR GUN IS A TOOL."
Right again, the firearm is a tool. Using a pipe wrench as a hammer will achieve the same results but isn't designed for driving nails. The right tool for the job makes life a little easier.
TDC
Rural Ontario.
And it is pretty quiet here too but a few times each year I respond to various situations where a shotgun is nice to have. Mine has been used to dispatch various four-legged problems and brought out but not used in response to a couple of two-legged concerns.
The advice about using the weapon mounted light to "investigate" a problem is a violation of one of the basic safety rules. I use two lights to prevent pointing a loaded gun at something or someone I don't intend to shoot.
Rural Ontario.
And it is pretty quiet here too but a few times each year I respond to various situations where a shotgun is nice to have. Mine has been used to dispatch various four-legged problems and brought out but not used in response to a couple of two-legged concerns.
The advice about using the weapon mounted light to "investigate" a problem is a violation of one of the basic safety rules. I use two lights to prevent pointing a loaded gun at something or someone I don't intend to shoot.
Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on target and you have made the CONSCIOUS DECISION TO SHOOT.
Unfamiliar noises deserve my utmost attention and could require lethal force. The time it takes you to identify the threat then drop the light and shoulder the shotgun is more than enough time for some scumbag to shoot you first. I'll let him worry about having firearms pointed at him. I'm quite certain your local SWAT team does the very same thing when conducting a raid. If you don't like guns being pointed at you, don't break the law.
TDC
Interesting comment. So very different than what you said in another thread while you were lecturing on safety:
But now you say that in response to nothing more than an unfamilar noise it's perfectly acceptable to point a loaded gun at a target you haven't identified provided your finger isn't on the trigger.
I don't point my gun at anything until I've made the decision to shoot and I don't use a weapon light to check to see if shooting is required.
IchBinEinSniper
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I'm with claybuster... I have been taught and have been passing on to my kids that you never point a gun at anything that you have not identified and are willing to shoot. I also have taught them that the guns get locked away when we are through with them and the ammo is put in its box etc... do people actually keep a loaded shotgun under/beside the bed? Everyone likes to talk about SHTF situations... well of course if looting and rioting and robbery became commonplace we would all act a little differently.
I for one think, unless you are military or police (with a supply chain of .223), the shotgun is the #1 firearm. Every walmart, CT, and gunshop carries volumes of ammo that will work, can be used to secure food in almost any form, and is good at short ranges out past 100m for protection with slugs.
I for one think, unless you are military or police (with a supply chain of .223), the shotgun is the #1 firearm. Every walmart, CT, and gunshop carries volumes of ammo that will work, can be used to secure food in almost any form, and is good at short ranges out past 100m for protection with slugs.
Yep...
And gun laws are SUPPOSED to stop people from killing people. The Police are SUPPOSED to protect you.
What if you are too late and you already hear shooting...
SUPPOSED doesn't cut it in my book.
I'm not disputing the point. In the real world, some risk is involved. As I mentioned all LE depts point their firearms at people everyday, many whom are not a threat nor the intended target. Its life. I personally am comfortable with pointing my firearms at anyone and anything on my property or in my home. I've accepted the consequence of such action and am willing to take that risk. If you're aware of what is in front of your firearms and accept the risk involved you aren't violating any of the fundamentals.
Regardless of whether or not you violate one of the fundamentals, how else would you identify possible threats and engage them in a timely fashion if your shotgun/rifle/handgun is not already oriented in such a direction?
TDC
