What makes a shotgun tactical?

yyyyy said:
Why plan on being without one...? What kind of strategy is that.

Why not plan on learning what tools and skills will give me the biggest advantage fastest.

Unarmed skills and fitness and great. But you come into the thread late and start calling everyone mall ninja for having a tactical discussion? How do you practice your hand to hand skills? You must shoot clay standing still? Right? So you shadowbox? Or watch MMA?

Look at history. Martial arts practised in secret: Africa, Brazil, Okinawa, Japan, China by conquered peoples.

Unarmed combat is the fighting of slaves.

Warriors use weapons.


But not necessarily a "tactical" shotgun.

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Your trying to tell us something aren't you.
 
Interesting thread I should probably read the whole thing before posting but I'm glad to see some another F as in Flexability added to the Fabulous Four f**kin Fundementals!
:dancingbanana:

Just issue all the friendly's in your house with flack jacket PJ's and then everyone else who shows up can deal with a loaded gun pointed in their direction!

:D
 
Greenhorse six said:
You are right my friend,but this is the real world, and in the real world there's not always time from work or the money to do as you say.

There's the way it ought to be and there's the way it is.

And are you saying that anybody who can't get that level of training should not have guns?
I just what to be sure,because thats what it reads like.



Lets turn this thing back to "TACTICAL" shotguns,eh?
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This is exactly the meat and potatoes I was looking for. Too many on this forum have lots of cash wrapped up in their "tactical shotgun" but have zero training to support it. If you don't have the mindset and dedication to train with your gear, you're a poser. Attending some courses and practicing on a frequent basis is a mindset issue. Its a personal decision to be dedicated to mastering a set of skills you hopefully never need. Its also a great excuse to expend thousands of rounds of ammo.

It is for this reason that I laugh at the "tactical" setups seen in this thread and the shotgun photo thread. Lots of useless crap, lots of high dollar crap and probably near zero professional training to go with. The comment earlier in the thread(2 pages back?) about an 870 with surefire fore-end and EoTech being "near perfect" is a prime example. The gear mentioned is top shelf(I prefer Mossberg but we won't get into that here) the belief that the EoTech is necessary and the failure to mention anything about improving ones skills speaks to the lack of training and/or practice.

The need for high dollar gear is perpetuated by those who neither take the time and money to master a system(the whole mindset and dedication bit again) but somehow feel that high dollar gear will improve their skills. Again, this is all classic poser behavior.

There are a ton of great examples in the EE. How many firearms are for sale that have less than 100 rounds through them? LOTS! Why? I can think of two reasons. People buy sh*t that they have no use for or what they've bought isn't suited to the role they wish to place it. The other reason, they're too busy posing. Buy lots of "cool" guns and shoot 50 rounds at the range twice a year from the bench slow fire. With such low round counts and no real training its no wonder there are a ton of threads trash talking every make and model available. You can't honestly judge a firearm inside a 100 rounds.

As BigDotGlock and yyyyy have already posted. The ignorant comments about shooting uncle Ed shows a complete lack of mindset, skill, tactics, dedication and plain logic. I see plenty of weak sauce excuses as to why one shouldn't couldn't or wouldn't defend themselves. Stop living inside the square range and the square society. Think for yourself. If you can't or won't dedicate time and resources to training defensively than stop posting in defensive based threads. Whether that be tactics or gear, your opinion counts for very little. Buying/building/discussing potential defensive situations without seriously considering the possibility is kind of like sticking your dyck in a pencil sharpener. Sure it'll get you off, but does it make a point????

TDC
 
Poser, It was a example of a reliable mil spec setup nothing more. Something you know is going to always work when you need it.
 
Here's a link to a picture of my HD "tactical" shotgun.

http://boonedog.ca/pictures/goodwood1.JPG

14 inch barrel, fiber optic front sight. wood by Wingmaster.

For HD, I don't want some "space gun" 'cause if I actually have to use it, one concern is what the judge will think when he goes "That's a scary looking black gun! You are GUILTY" As opposed to. "That's a woody shotgun kind of like the one I used to shoot skeet with... Self defense"..

May sound stupid, but....


PS: although not in that picture, I have a light for it. It's currently on my 3 gun 870 right now.
 
Plink said:
Here's a link to a picture of my HD "tactical" shotgun.

http://boonedog.ca/pictures/goodwood1.JPG

14 inch barrel, fiber optic front sight. wood by Wingmaster.

For HD, I don't want some "space gun" 'cause if I actually have to use it, one concern is what the judge will think when he goes "That's a scary looking black gun!
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Found a pic of a "Space Gun" Thought I'd share. :)
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Greenhorse six said:
You are right my friend,but this is the real world, and in the real world there's not always time from work or the money to do as you say.

There's the way it ought to be and there's the way it is.

And are you saying that anybody who can't get that level of training should not have guns?
I just what to be sure,because thats what it reads like.



Lets turn this thing back to "TACTICAL" shotguns,eh?
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Way to put words in my mouth!

I never said people without training shouldn't have guns. I said that people who lack the capability to confront an intruder should not do so. I said they should "sell off a few guns" to pay for a panic room, if thay can't use their "tactical shotgun" in a practical manner. Bringing a shotgun you can't use into a fight is just a problem waiting to happen, that doesn't mean you're not an outstanding bird hunter.

Just because you lack the skill and mindset, and the drive to acquire the skill and mindset, to handle such a situation doesn't mean the rest of us do. What price do you put on training, I bet you're sitting on a few toys worth more than several quality classes.

Anyway dude, I'm done with you. I sincerely hope you're never put in a position to test your PC mindset and tactics.
 
Nisser17 said:
Poser, It was a example of a reliable mil spec setup nothing more. Something you know is going to always work when you need it.
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Again, your comments reflect your training. Nothing works 100% of the time, tools fail. The weakest link in your example is the EoTech. Its an electronic tool that is battery operated and must be turned on prior to use. If the electronics hold up and your batteries are fresh you still must turn it on. Tritium sights have none of these issues and will accomplish the task just as well as the EoTech.

TDC
 
TDC said:
This is exactly the meat and potatoes I was looking for. Too many on this forum have lots of cash wrapped up in their "tactical shotgun" but have zero training to support it. If you don't have the mindset and dedication to train with your gear, you're a poser. Attending some courses and practicing on a frequent basis is a mindset issue. Its a personal decision to be dedicated to mastering a set of skills you hopefully never need. Its also a great excuse to expend thousands of rounds of ammo.

It is for this reason that I laugh at the "tactical" setups seen in this thread and the shotgun photo thread. Lots of useless crap, lots of high dollar crap and probably near zero professional training to go with. The comment earlier in the thread(2 pages back?) about an 870 with surefire fore-end and EoTech being "near perfect" is a prime example. The gear mentioned is top shelf(I prefer Mossberg but we won't get into that here) the belief that the EoTech is necessary and the failure to mention anything about improving ones skills speaks to the lack of training and/or practice.

The need for high dollar gear is perpetuated by those who neither take the time and money to master a system(the whole mindset and dedication bit again) but somehow feel that high dollar gear will improve their skills. Again, this is all classic poser behavior.

There are a ton of great examples in the EE. How many firearms are for sale that have less than 100 rounds through them? LOTS! Why? I can think of two reasons. People buy sh*t that they have no use for or what they've bought isn't suited to the role they wish to place it. The other reason, they're too busy posing. Buy lots of "cool" guns and shoot 50 rounds at the range twice a year from the bench slow fire. With such low round counts and no real training its no wonder there are a ton of threads trash talking every make and model available. You can't honestly judge a firearm inside a 100 rounds.

As BigDotGlock and yyyyy have already posted. The ignorant comments about shooting uncle Ed shows a complete lack of mindset, skill, tactics, dedication and plain logic. I see plenty of weak sauce excuses as to why one shouldn't couldn't or wouldn't defend themselves. Stop living inside the square range and the square society. Think for yourself. If you can't or won't dedicate time and resources to training defensively than stop posting in defensive based threads. Whether that be tactics or gear, your opinion counts for very little. Buying/building/discussing potential defensive situations without seriously considering the possibility is kind of like sticking your dyck in a pencil sharpener. Sure it'll get you off, but does it make a point????

TDC
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You should probably start a training thread, or a tactics thread rather than freaking out at a guy who choses to use a different illumination tool thatn you do.
 
TDC There is just no pleasing you is there, lets try again
870p max,Tritium sights and a drunk midget ninja with a dildo and a bottle of lube hell if that does not scare a perp I give up. A little while ago you swore your batterie powered toys are the only way to go. You almost had me convinced but your flip flopping makes me nervous.
 
TDC said:
This is exactly the meat and potatoes I was looking for. Too many on this forum have lots of cash wrapped up in their "tactical shotgun" but have zero training to support it. If you don't have the mindset and dedication to train with your gear, you're a poser. Attending some courses and practicing on a frequent basis is a mindset issue. Its a personal decision to be dedicated to mastering a set of skills you hopefully never need. Its also a great excuse to expend thousands of rounds of ammo.

It is for this reason that I laugh at the "tactical" setups seen in this thread and the shotgun photo thread. Lots of useless crap, lots of high dollar crap and probably near zero professional training to go with. The comment earlier in the thread(2 pages back?) about an 870 with surefire fore-end and EoTech being "near perfect" is a prime example. The gear mentioned is top shelf(I prefer Mossberg but we won't get into that here) the belief that the EoTech is necessary and the failure to mention anything about improving ones skills speaks to the lack of training and/or practice.

The need for high dollar gear is perpetuated by those who neither take the time and money to master a system(the whole mindset and dedication bit again) but somehow feel that high dollar gear will improve their skills. Again, this is all classic poser behavior.

There are a ton of great examples in the EE. How many firearms are for sale that have less than 100 rounds through them? LOTS! Why? I can think of two reasons. People buy sh*t that they have no use for or what they've bought isn't suited to the role they wish to place it. The other reason, they're too busy posing. Buy lots of "cool" guns and shoot 50 rounds at the range twice a year from the bench slow fire. With such low round counts and no real training its no wonder there are a ton of threads trash talking every make and model available. You can't honestly judge a firearm inside a 100 rounds.

As BigDotGlock and yyyyy have already posted. The ignorant comments about shooting uncle Ed shows a complete lack of mindset, skill, tactics, dedication and plain logic. I see plenty of weak sauce excuses as to why one shouldn't couldn't or wouldn't defend themselves. Stop living inside the square range and the square society. Think for yourself. If you can't or won't dedicate time and resources to training defensively than stop posting in defensive based threads. Whether that be tactics or gear, your opinion counts for very little. Buying/building/discussing potential defensive situations without seriously considering the possibility is kind of like sticking your dyck in a pencil sharpener. Sure it'll get you off, but does it make a point????

TDC
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There's a lot of truth in what you say,but to me,the use of a weapon light on a loaded firearm,to I.D. a target,and thats what it is , a target,when you're useing a weapon,in the middle of the nite,and going from sound asleep to "OMFG" what the hell was that! is not a sound mind set,no matter how much training you may or may not have,it is not a good mind set,or a good ideal,because no matter how little the chance a negligent discharge is,it will always be a possibility,that's just the fact of the matter.

And I don't think I'am alone on this, and it dosen't make me any less capable with a weapon. This is me.

You can train to do transitions from one weapon to another, you can do the same with a hand held light to a long arm as well.

The posers come and go,like you said,but you can't stop people from having a view or opinion,and isn't that what a open forum ,like this, is about?

And yes ,Mossberg,all the way,just pick up a [another] 590,this one a pistol grip [ which,as I've said,is the last kind of shotgun I would ever buy,pistol grip that is.] 590 Persuader. for those acoss the room close encounters.
 
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TDC said:
Again, your comments reflect your training. Nothing works 100% of the time, tools fail. The weakest link in your example is the EoTech. Its an electronic tool that is battery operated and must be turned on prior to use. If the electronics hold up and your batteries are fresh you still must turn it on. Tritium sights have none of these issues and will accomplish the task just as well as the EoTech.

TDC
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The very same can be said of a weapon light,maintain your equipment,all of it.
 
"Tactical shotgun". What rigs does everyone use for HD and would unlock in case of emergency from their 100% legally stored place . No pics, lets get a idea so we can answer the question.
 
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