What makes an AR15?

Armedsask said:
You guys are missing the other major factor, manufacturer literature and claims.

If the manufacturer says anything remotely close to "based on the AR15" it is an AR15. This the fate of the Carbon 15 and HK guns is sealed. This was also the downfall of the GSG9, manufacturer claimed it as a based on the MP5.
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Talk about loose lips sinking ships.

So if I were to design a gun, officially it would be based on a tried and true M1 Garand or SVT40 design. Just so there are no questions.
 
I think its time an enterprising Canadian gunsmith steps into the machine shop, and comes up with a new semi auto exclusively for the Canadian market. Something that will come in under the non-res classification, but has as much look and function of the AR as possible without turning heads at the RCMP and CFC. You could charge double what an AR goes for, and I'm sure everyone would jump on them. Look how fast the new 597 VTR's sold out at shops this fall!
So, any takers?
 
So what about the AR10 and the fact that the law reads "The firearm of the design commonly known as the M-16 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it". Technically the M-16 came after the AR-10 so the AR-10 is based on nothing...definitely not based on the M-16.

Early AR-10s should be non-res and every AR-10 after that should be as well.
 
I think that while the claim of a "vAriant" can be made without any reason given gives the classifier (in this case the RCMP) too much power to classify guns as they see fit.

I don't even think there is a "rule of thumb" for classifying guns. Just like majority said whatever the tech feels like that morning or what he/she likes/dislikes.

As far as what makes an ar an ar I believe it's the upper/lower. I mean the xcr resembles an Ar. And the 180 I believe is non-restricted. Although they "resemble" an AR

as for manufacturig one. I don't think it will happen.

Luke
 
blueblast said:
I think its time an enterprising Canadian gunsmith steps into the machine shop, and comes up with a new semi auto exclusively for the Canadian market. Something that will come in under the non-res classification, but has as much look and function of the AR as possible without turning heads at the RCMP and CFC. You could charge double what an AR goes for, and I'm sure everyone would jump on them. Look how fast the new 597 VTR's sold out at shops this fall!
So, any takers?
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I'll do it. Each gun will cost $10,000. Are you still interested?

It's not going to happen, there is no margin for profit.
 
+1 to what Bryce said, if it was as easy as coming up with an idea that would logically be deemed non-res I'd be all over it.... however with the .50 lower project here is how it went:

- Design lower
- Submit and wait patiently for RCMP approval
- BZZZZ! Restricted! Try again! :confused:
- Revise design to more smartly not fit AR15 upper
- Re-submit and wait patiently for RCMP approval
- Beat head against wall when techs use duct tape to fire a primed casing :bangHead:
- Re-revise design to be duct-tape proof :rolleyes:
- Wait patiently and pray there's nothing stronger then duct tape :eek:

All in all this project took many months and hours and hours of our combined time to produce, so I can only imagine how much I'd like to stab myself in the eye with a fork upon sending off a complete new design for approval :p


Armedsask said:
I'll do it. Each gun will cost $10,000. Are you still interested?

It's not going to happen, there is no margin for profit.
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Look at what happened with Dlask and their pump rifle. Couldn't fit AR15 uppers, couldn't use AR15 mags, wasn't even semi-auto! Restricted.

I believe their undoing was all their talk about how it was based on the AR15. Also it used a 99% unmodified AR15 operating system, that didn't help.

Building a non-restricted AR type rifle is not impossible, nor is it really all that difficult. It just isn't profitable. Look how much people ##### and moan over the price of the SAN rifles and that is a battle proven rifle! Now throw imagine a made in Canada complete unproven design. I can only imagine the s**t show that thing would be.
 
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Wildbore said:
Not according to recent case law. Check out the Henderson case. The RCMP will be forced to review many decisions soon.
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I've spent far too much time googling and searching this site for more information about this "Henderson Case". Could someone be so kind as to point me in the right direction with a link to information on it?

Thanks!
 
Armedsask said:
I'll do it. Each gun will cost $10,000. Are you still interested?

It's not going to happen, there is no margin for profit.
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^^^
Unfortunately you're right. We just don't have the market up here. Plus, there are plenty of Non-Restricted alternatives to the AR-15 coming out now. The XCR, Swiss Arms, Ar180b (hopefully going to be produced again), Tavor, T97 (if they ever get released by the RCMP), FN SCAR, FS 2000, and ACR are all great alternatives.
 
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