What Mods are allowed on a Shadow for IPSC Production div?

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I tried out someone's lightly modded Shadow SP01 a couple of weeks ago, and would like to do some of the same things to mine. He said his mods were all "Production legal" done by a local specialist, but didn't know the all of the exact specifics that were done.

I haven't competed yet, but liked how his trigger felt and would like to do some things along with thin grips.

So I'd appreciate hearing what is allowed, and if it all has to be brand name CZ parts or what? Would also like to know if people think Dlask would be a good choice to do the mods, as his shop is very close to me. If not, who best to do it?
 
11lb recoil spring
13 hammer spring

pre b disconnector
comp hammer

stainless steel guide rod
extended firing pin with rami 2075 firing pin spring

aluminium grip panels.
 
Yes... All those parts require perfect sanding and Polishing to get the proper fit.

And regardless of where the springs actually came from, when someone asks you should always say they came from CZ
 
matchDQ said:
Isn't that lying and cheating?
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No way.... And in any event those accusations have to be proven.... Will be especially difficult to do that when some gun manufacturers get their springs from wolff

More than anything, it just highlights the absurdity of ipsc's ofm rule for production division mods.
 
matchDQ said:
Isn't that lying and cheating?
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Of course it is. Much depends on your moral compass. Problem with rules is either you follow them or you don't. If you don't like them you change them or work towards changing them. Apparently some think cheating is ok if you are certain you cannot get caught. Curious perspective on life.

Nobody on this forum is ever going to win any significant IPSC title because they cheated but they seem to be prepared to cheat. Really quite odd don't you think.

Take Care

Bob
 
Bob.... I don't think you quite realize how ubiquitous wolff springs are in production division

And I don't consider it cheating if someone gets their springs from the same source the manufacturer does
 
Onagoth said:
Bob.... I don't think you quite realize how ubiquitous wolff springs are in production division

And I don't consider it cheating if someone gets their springs from the same source the manufacturer does
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Yup I do and would replace my springs with Wolf springs in a NY minute. That said I would be cheating and by definition a cheat. Just call it what it is and live with it.

It is a stupid rule as is the rules regarding finishing. Anyone who thinks painting some form of arrow, design or whatever on the slide or frame of a gun would materially affect how well a shooter would shoot is delusional, so to the rules on springs. The Europeans aren't about to change the rule because cheating in sports over there is just part of the way to win.

IPSC won't change the rule because the group of angels who run IPSC actually believe the spring rules make sense. I am more involved with the other sport that has a rule book written by amateurs who actually make the IPSC rule book look good. But IPSC's rules suffer from some of the same issues. Springs and the ability to refinish your gun are two. The third might involved the Glock 34/35 not being able to compete in IPSC Production because it was ruled a "Competition" gun as I understand it. The Shadow2 of course isn't a "Competition" gun nor is the Stock111. To quote Pres. Obama...."Come On Man".

Take Care
Bob
 
If you don't understand the reasoning behind some certain rule it doesn't mean rule is bad or stupid... But if you want to put arbitrary parts or paint your gun into whatever fancy colors you like - there is a Standard and Open divisions where you can do just that, as well as other stuff.
 
euxx I appreciate what your saying but you can't believe many don't use springs in their Production guns that did not come in a CZ package. I would also argue that folks who write rules because they think drawing lines on a slide or frame is suddenly going to improve scores in IPSC either are doing so to be able to claim they got a rule put through or they have little appreciation for the skill required to shoot the sport well enough to separate yourself from your peers.

In today's world with International laws involving the shipping of firearms from one country to another, insisting that refinishing can only be done at the manufacturers facility illustrates a degree if ignorance bordering on stupidity.

Unless Slavex can testify he saw the CZ factory making springs I might be swayed to suggest the springs in the CZ guns are made by a third party supplier. Selective application of rules leads to an atmosphere of tacit approval of rule avoidance. That is bad and stupid.

Take Care


Bob
 
You seem to hung on a couple little details, but missing a big picture. Anyhow, this been pounded many times before, so no point to argue again, besides, you aren't even shooting IPSC. Not your game, we get it, let it go.
 
Canuck44 said:
Well I do shoot IPSC, just not a lot.
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Well, that's stretching it. How about we let the readers know about how much you do...

You currently require re-certification & have not been a member since Dec. 31 2014.
Your last match was 2014-09-20 where you were 1 of 2 people in revolver.

Since your Black Badge in 2008 - 8 years ago - you shot all of 10 qualifiers and then - only 2 matches since 2008.

This "participation" hardly qualifies you to constantly come on CGN and pose as an expert in the IPSC rules and then criticize them.
Your motives are quite transparent.

How about you stick to IDPA and that other shooting sport you made up and we'll stick to IPSC?

I'd expect a little more maturity from someone 71 years old. :rolleyes:

Canuck44 said:
It is a great sport and the folks in it are great.
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At least we agree on this.
 
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