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Sweet group! Result.
Thanks. That’s 3 shots (2 touching). But who’s counting…
Could see that. Nice.
I now have two of them. The Sigs work. I would be surprised if you ever get around to changing one out.
They go on sale at Cabellas regularly for $199.
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Bob
I agree with Bob, at this point you have to ask why you wouldn't use the Romeo5 - Nothing else compares at the price. The last Cabelas sale was for $169 but that only had the high mount. I think most people would want a low mount if they have the Ruger with the fixed stock.
That's crazy that it can be had so cheap. I was happy paying the $220 - $240 for the six that I have. In my view, it is tremendous value and does what you need it to do. Holds zero well, the dot is clear, it has shake awake, battery life is fantastic, it is compact, the buttons are responsive, the brightness adjustments work well for indoor and outdoor...I would even go as far as saying I don't see the commensurate value and benefit in going to a "high end" red dot. The Romeo 5 does what it is supposed to do and I have found it highly reliable for outdoor target shooting at my club. I would pick up another one in a heartbeat at those Cabela's sale prices, just to have a spare one (or two...or three)...
I agree that it has terrific value, particularly for a casual shooter. But while I think the Romeo5 is clearly punching far above its weight class, the more costly options really are better quality. For example, both the Vortex SPARC Solar and the Aimpoint Micro that I've used are more refined, more robust, and have much better glass and dot. Of course, that's double or triple the money (or more!). But for value, I don't think the Romeo5 can be beat right now.
Dante currently has them with both the high and low mount for $230, which is the best option I've seen if you need the low mount (or if you're not sure which). I've been looking for just a low mount for a while (Aimpoint patter), they're apparently not cheap.
I just moved my PCC to the backpacker stock. I have a bunch of regular red dots but i want as small as possible in this configuration. the Holosun 503 looks' great but i cant justify the almost $500 (after tax and shipping) it would cost me.
any other suggestions for open reflex?
Have you considered the Romeo 5 with low mount? If not, I would say it's a risk worth taking and if you don't like it you can get most of your money back. And it's not a lot of spend to risk testing something that many of us here have tried and would suggest is great value. And the footprint is very small.
I have zero authority nor the experience to back this up, but for the life of me I cannot see how anything like an Aimpoint can be that much significantly better to justify the spend. The Romeo dot is bright, red and sharp. With no magnification, I don't see what glass difference would be to "wow" me. I do realize there is a price point difference for a reason, but same with clothing and such, I wonder how much of that is branding and marketing rather than actual substantive quality difference.
I would love to be proven wrong, however.
thegazelle the answer to your question lies in a simple truism. We all at some point are influenced to some degree by a need to justify our purchases. I have seen shooters drop north of q grqnd on a pistol and announce they shoot way better than they did with their former pistol that cost half that amount all the while score no better than they did with the less expensive pistol. For someone who shoots competitions and practices a lot or requires his equipment for employment purposes with a real chance on needing the equipment to save his life purchasing high end equipment makes sense. Too, there is always the "because I can" justification which can't be discounted.
For folks who might shoot a thousand rounds or less plinking at the range, playing shooting sports for just the fun of getting outdoors, popping the odd raccoon or neighbours cat the Romeo5, Vortex Sparc11, Crossfire or entry level Holsun model will be more than adequate. I do believe there is some quality improvement from say an Aimpoint vs the Romeo5 but I doubt it would justify the price difference beyond reputation and marketing. That and the fact unless you really do train well and have above average athletic ability taking advantage of the improvements is beyond the grasp of most. Certainly for the weekend backpacker who may or may not fire a round over the course of two days or two weeks of hiking any of the $200 level optics are going to meet his/her needs. ....but there is the bling factor of strutting around with a Deltapoint Pro 10 with colour selection reticle, muli-coloured laser and a 700 lumen strobe light with night vision capability on your chosen blaster does attract chicks. A 66 red Mustang convertible worked well for an earlier generation. :>)
Take Care
Bob
For folks who might shoot a thousand rounds or less plinking at the range, playing shooting sports for just the fun of getting outdoors, popping the odd raccoon or neighbours cat the Romeo5, Vortex Sparc11, Crossfire or entry level Holsun model will be more than adequate. I do believe there is some quality improvement from say an Aimpoint vs the Romeo5 but I doubt it would justify the price difference beyond reputation and marketing. That and the fact unless you really do train well and have above average athletic ability taking advantage of the improvements is beyond the grasp of most. Certainly for the weekend backpacker who may or may not fire a round over the course of two days or two weeks of hiking any of the $200 level optics are going to meet his/her needs. ....but there is the bling factor of strutting around with a Deltapoint Pro 10 with colour selection reticle, muli-coloured laser and a 700 lumen strobe light with night vision capability on your chosen blaster does attract chicks. A 66 red Mustang convertible worked well for an earlier generation. :>)
Take Care
Bob
Bob, as always good perspective.
It also is probably related to how much we are in tune with our equipment. I used to think there was little difference in buying a real Gibson Les Paul as opposed to my Epiphone Les Pauls. Now, my ears aren't the best, but even then I did notice a difference particularly in how full the bass-y parts of the tone were. Is it enough for me to drop quadruple on the Les Paul that I wanted? No. I bought an entry level, which was marginally better than my cheaper Epiphone. To someone who doesn't play guitar, maybe there is no discernable difference to them, and that's fair. That may be how I am seeing the Aimpoints. Again, I would love to be proven wrong - same with my pre-conceived notions of Nightforce scopes which I currently hold a position of way overpriced, though I know a couple of guys who own them who swear by them. MAYBE if I had bought the Nighforces first (sorry had a dream there that I could afford one), maybe the step back to a Leupold or Burris or whatever will reveal the difference in seeing the step-down, whereas going from what I consider a more than decent red dot in the Romeo 5 - I just am doubtful that dropping 4-5 times the amount on an Aimpoint would yield 4-5 times difference in quality.
I guess the same can be said about golf clubs or golf balls, the latter of which I swear up and down makes absolutely no difference if you have an expensive Titleist V1x Pro or an el cheapo Maxfli Noodle. There are many days I play better with the Noodle.
I have tried that Romeo 5 on a LOT of PCCs that I have owned, and honestly, I am happy with each one. I do really like my Holosun HS515GM because of the flip covers that are glass that I can see through (once I removed that beehive killflash), but that is a heavier red dot - but it mates well with my 3x magnifier, which I have to admit the glass is not great even though it's a Holosun.
You guys need to factor in country of origin when talking price.
Aimpoints are made in Sweden.
Trijicon, Eotech and the Vortex UH1 are made in the US.
Holosun, most Vortex RDs and the Sig Romeo 5 are made in third-world China.
The cost of engineering and manufacturing in China will be a fraction of those first world countries. That's a large reason why they're cheaper.
As for quality differences, Aimpoints are certainly battle proven. That reputation likely adds something to the price. Are they better than a Romeo 5 or a 515? No idea.
Is the Romeo 5 significantly better than a Bushnell TRS25 that's half the price? No idea, but the Bushy has a pretty decent rep.
Up to you to decide what you want to run on a consumer-grade PCC. Some guys don't want to buy Chinese, some guys want the prestige of an Aimpoint for bragging rights, some guys buy them because they're proven to be essentially indestructible. I don't own one, but with everything that's going on in the world I may have to change that.
Aimpoints are made in Sweden.
Trijicon, Eotech and the Vortex UH1 are made in the US.
Holosun, most Vortex RDs and the Sig Romeo 5 are made in third-world China.
The cost of engineering and manufacturing in China will be a fraction of those first world countries. That's a large reason why they're cheaper.
As for quality differences, Aimpoints are certainly battle proven. That reputation likely adds something to the price. Are they better than a Romeo 5 or a 515? No idea.
Is the Romeo 5 significantly better than a Bushnell TRS25 that's half the price? No idea, but the Bushy has a pretty decent rep.
Up to you to decide what you want to run on a consumer-grade PCC. Some guys don't want to buy Chinese, some guys want the prestige of an Aimpoint for bragging rights, some guys buy them because they're proven to be essentially indestructible. I don't own one, but with everything that's going on in the world I may have to change that.
