What other barrels fit Savage action ?

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Hey guys, anybody know offhand if any other rifle manufacturer uses the same barrel thread size as Savage does? If not, which could be rethreaded (without being rechambered) to fit the Savage action?

I'm trying to find a .222 barrel that'll fit on the Savage without costing too much.
 
Offhand, I cannot think of another make that uses the same thread pattern as Savage.

Savage uses two diameters now, but a .222 would be the smaller. If a barrel had enough shoulder, it could be rethreaded. For example, a Remington Varmint .222/.223 could have the threaded shank cut off, new threads and chamber cut. With the Savage locknut there would be no need to have enough diameter to make a shoulder. As far as that goes most varmint barrels would have enough diameter for rethreading, after the original threaded shank is removed.
 
The cost to machine and fit a barrel from another manf would not be too far off the cost of a quality aftermarket Shilen or McGowen.

And you would still have a factory barrel as opposed to a match quality barrel.

No other factory action that uses the same thread as the Savage.

If interested in a 223 barrel, I can offer you a factory Savage for low cost.

Let me know...

Jerry
 
"...What other barrels fit Savage action..." None. All the manufacturers use slightly different threads and diameters to stop just such a thing.
Any particular reason you want a .222? Ammo isn't exactly easy to find any more. Especially in small places. Not impossible though.
 
Why 222? Because of nostolgia. For oldtimes sake, grew up on it.

I know it used to be considered to be a highly accurate round, but not sure if it's still viewed in that light. Anybody care to shed some light on that, say vs a 223?
 
sunray said:
"...What other barrels fit Savage action..." None. All the manufacturers use slightly different threads and diameters to stop just such a thing.
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I belive that you are wrong. Remington mod 788 barrel will fit Savage bolt action just fine, they are both 1" dia x 20 TPI. I did a switch and instaled Savage barrel in my Rem 788 action with minimal effort.
 
Win. 70 pushfeeds, Ruger 77s, and Sako AIIs use 1x16 threads. The barrels don't directly interchange, but can be adapted easily enough.
 
Depending on the shank size, your gunsmith may be able to thread a bushing to bring the shank diameter up to proper size. I had a brand new .308 barrel that had been threade for a Win model 70, and my 'smith just fitted a bushing and threaded the whole thing for my savage action. It works perfectly, and only a very close examination can show the seam where the bushing was fitted.

Erik.
 
gr8, as was said, the Thread pattern is listed as the same by a few manf but the actual thread can vary so that one will not easily thread into another.

Even Savage has changed their dimensions ever so slightly over the decades and some old parts do not interchange with todays.

But thread is only one part of 'fit'. The way the chamber area is machined will be very different so a bit of machining will be required to ensure proper fit and headspace.

Also, if you want to retain the barrel nut, some machining will need to be done on the barrel shank to thread for the nut.

Not saying it can't be done, but when you pay smith the same amount to fix a factory barrel vs a new match barrel. That becomes an expensive experiment with questionable performance.

And when a Shilen or McGowen prefit is pretty close to the same price, why bother????

I really liked the 222 Rem and it was one of my first CF cartridges. however, there is nothing it will do that the 223 can't do better for less muss and fuss.

Jerry
 
ErikT said:
Depending on the shank size, your gunsmith may be able to thread a bushing to bring the shank diameter up to proper size. I had a brand new .308 barrel that had been threade for a Win model 70, and my 'smith just fitted a bushing and threaded the whole thing for my savage action. It works perfectly, and only a very close examination can show the seam where the bushing was fitted.

Erik.
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Eric, that "gunsmith" of yours is one dangerous dude and idea of a bushing over the chamber to "save" the barrel is mind boggling. If I were you I wouldn't touch that rifle with 10' 2x4 never mind shooting it b/c the strenght of that barrel is severly compromised.
 
ErikT said:
Depending on the shank size, your gunsmith may be able to thread a bushing to bring the shank diameter up to proper size. I had a brand new .308 barrel that had been threade for a Win model 70, and my 'smith just fitted a bushing and threaded the whole thing for my savage action. It works perfectly, and only a very close examination can show the seam where the bushing was fitted.

Erik.
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A M70 is 1"x16, the Savage approx. 1.05"x20. What thread did your 'smith apply to the M70 shank before installing the sleeve and threading it for the Savage?
A small ring Mauser is .980. Don't think I'd be happy with a .308 barrel shank smaller than that. And a sleeve over a .980 shank to bring it up to 1 1/16 is going to be pretty thin.

This business of adapting barrels is interesting, have done quite a few. But I do my own 'smithing, so cost isn't a factor.
 
g8, don't give up on ErikT's gunsmith just yet.

16tpi thread depth is .040", rounded off. At a 1.000" OD it leaves .920" after the threads are removed.
Install a bushing with 24 tpi which has a thread depth of .026".
.920" minus the .052" thread cut diameter is .868" or the exact same size as a small ring mauser after .980" at 12 tpi which is a .056" deep cut and of course .112" diameter. .980" minus .112" is .868"

1.055 at 20 tpi which is a .032" deep cut leaves .991" or about .035" meat between the bottom of the outside threads and the top of the inside threads. .035" is thicker than the threads themselves and obviously stronger.

Why the hell anyone would want to reuse a winchester barrel is beyond me. I hope the smith was Leeper, the thoughts of him putting a M70 barrel onto a Savage makes me giggle. :D
 
Just to clarify, yes, my 'smith turned the original shank down to small-ring Mauser size, .980. He then threaded and soldered on a bushing and turned it down to my shank size and threaded it for my action, which is the large shank, or 1.120". He told me that he probably wouldn't have done it on the smaller Savage shank size, at least not with a .308 or bigger cartridge. I wouldn't have bothered with it, but the barrel was brand new (never even mounted to the Winny action), so I thought that for the cost of the machining to a brand new barrel I might just be ahead. If my gunsmith told me it wouldn't be safe (and he has set me straight on several crackpot ideas in the past), then I would have gone in another direction. I did not intend to put forward any possibly hazardous ideas; just something that has worked safely for me in the past. As always, be safe and do your research before committing to any course of fire.

Erik.
 
And the 223 will see little use in SR BR as that remains the realm of the 6PPC and 22PPC.

the 222 was the BR darling until the PPC came along. The 223 was not a huge part of the target scene yet. Plenty in the varmint fields and of course overseas but no where near the popularity of a few decades later.

By that point, the PPC were firmly entrenched and that is unlikely to change anytime soon.

A 223 of today can be every bit as accurate as a 222 of old. 1/4 min is not a big deal these days and this was what set world records way back when.

Now that SR BR guns can shoot in the 0's, it certainly limits other options.

I have shot both the 222 and the 223 and can say, both do really well. Now that my interest is in LR shooting, I choose 223 as it gives more capacity to get the heavies moving at desireable speeds.

Jerry
 
I would in a heart beat IF F TR included it.....

wonder if I could call it a 223 with a SERIOUS headspace problem :)

Oh well, I will just have to console myself with all that 1F stuff AR shooters leave everywhere.

FREE BRASS - YUMMY.

Jerry
 
Yes, the 223 is so accurate that it has to be segregated along with 308's in its own class in F-Class, so they don't have to compete with 6BR's and 6.5-284s. :)

There is accurate, and then there is Benchrest accurate. The 223 can do very good things, and is an unquestionable commerical home-run, but the triple deuce was a more inherently accurate catridge IMHO.
 
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