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What percent of SKS rifles are "more accurate"
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Before you start re shaping the sear and what not, id first recommend simply replacing a few springs in the trigger group with lighter ones.... A really easy one to get at that can really lighten up the trigger pull is the one located between the sear, and the mag release. I got a buddy's SKS trigger down to under 4lbs just by replacing that one spring. Although re shaping the sear can significantly improve the way the trigger brakes, and the distance it travels under weight, they can easily be screwed up in a way that renders the gun totally un safe, and illegal. We're as if u screw up by putting too light of springs in, you can simply switch them back to the old ones.
Where would one buy one of those lighter springs? A lighter pull would help a lot and I would take an easy fix like that. However, the long creepy pull before the sear breaks is a bit of an issue, which you were also referring to I believe. I may do the filing thing some day, do a careful safety check, and if I screw one up no biggie, replacement parts are cheap.
I just dug one out of a misc spring bag that I bought from a hobby store.... Payed like 6 bucks for the whole bag, SUPER handy to have around for garage gunsmithing. Another spring you can change isbthe small one located behind the main hammer spring, although it adds to the overall trigger pull weight, it mainly serves as the spring tension you feel when the trigger is limp. I also drilled a hole in the trigger guard behind the trigger and added a overtravel stop using a small bolt, this also helps tremendously with improving the SKS's trigger performance.
Thanks, if I do it I will be careful for sure, the springs I believe can be had from Wolfe, I will be researching that soon, I want to glass bed it also, as much as can be done! Also some sort of peep for my eyes!
To the OP, if you ask a general question like this you won't get a very clear answer. Some surplus ammo is so inconsistent that nothing will shoot it accurately. Put that inconsistent ammo in an sks and you'll get 3-4" at best, and maybe much worse, depending on the 5 cartridges you chose. There are too many variables in that scenario: bullet weight, bullet concentricity (some are oval), bullet diameter (.308-.312), powder charge, etc. I've only checked one batch of maybe 100 and it was pretty bad. Sorting it didn't significantly improve the groupings, probably because I couldn't tell whether the variation was from the bullet weight or powder charge. And that is with a solid choate mount and vortex scope at 100 yds.
I tried the wolfe springs, the mag release spring I recommend (it is tied to the trigger pull, takes off about 1 lb), the firing pin didn't work consistently (light strikes) in a russian or chinese.
You'll have better luck discussing this if you can specify what type of ammo is being discussed. The S & B hunting ammo has much better accuracy in my experience.
I tried the wolfe springs, the mag release spring I recommend (it is tied to the trigger pull, takes off about 1 lb), the firing pin didn't work consistently (light strikes) in a russian or chinese.
You'll have better luck discussing this if you can specify what type of ammo is being discussed. The S & B hunting ammo has much better accuracy in my experience.
I know what you are saying, but in the SKS the rifle is the limiting factor to accuracy, not surplus ammo. See the sticky by Ganderite about testing surplus ammo. In a custom bolt gun capable of sub 1" with a custom hand load he tried various surplus ammo and on average it shot about 2"
Then when he tried the custom load and the surplus in a few sks rifles it all shot about 5" groups at 100 yards. This shows that its the rifles thats the issue.
The consesus is mixed, some say all sks are 6 moa rifles, some say that 3 moa is average.
I gotta ask you guys, when you say 3 moa are we being honest with ourselves? To call it a 3 moa rifle this should mean that you should be able to sit down at a good bench and fire three 10 shot groups, and take the average of these three groups only. Not the best group that it shot a year ago, and no omitting those two pesky fliers. 30 rounds, count them all. I know I feel the temptation myself to look at a group and say " ah, not counting those two its a 4 inch group"
So I am putting a request out here, if anybody has a good honest 4 moa SKS that they would like to sell I will be interested. One that consistently shoots this well (without omitting any fliers!)
A Russian one is preferable as I feel the Chinese ones are over priced right now. Refurbished, beat up, ugly, its all good as long as the bore is not rusty. I am just looking for a shooter for a decent price.
I gotta ask you guys, when you say 3 moa are we being honest with ourselves? To call it a 3 moa rifle this should mean that you should be able to sit down at a good bench and fire three 10 shot groups, and take the average of these three groups only. Not the best group that it shot a year ago, and no omitting those two pesky fliers. 30 rounds, count them all. I know I feel the temptation myself to look at a group and say " ah, not counting those two its a 4 inch group"
So I am putting a request out here, if anybody has a good honest 4 moa SKS that they would like to sell I will be interested. One that consistently shoots this well (without omitting any fliers!)
A Russian one is preferable as I feel the Chinese ones are over priced right now. Refurbished, beat up, ugly, its all good as long as the bore is not rusty. I am just looking for a shooter for a decent price.
I have a 53 Tula refurb. It has 1975 stamped on the barrel close to the receiver.
At 45 yards with a 4x scope mounted on a magpul receiver mounted rail.
It shoots a 2-1/2 group and a 3-1/4 group is average.
Tried American eagle
Chezc
Ukraineian battle brick
Chinese copper washed surplus.
I was dis appointed.
Those kind of groups at 100 yards I could live with.
45. Not so much.
Good side is. I learned a bunch about this rifle.
At 45 yards with a 4x scope mounted on a magpul receiver mounted rail.
It shoots a 2-1/2 group and a 3-1/4 group is average.
Tried American eagle
Chezc
Ukraineian battle brick
Chinese copper washed surplus.
I was dis appointed.
Those kind of groups at 100 yards I could live with.
45. Not so much.
Good side is. I learned a bunch about this rifle.
They all seem to shoot about 4 moa with irons and surplus imo.
Not as accurate as I (and many others I'm sure) would like them to be but hey, it's a great tough reliable rifle that's cheaper than taking a chick to dinner for the home run.
Not as accurate as I (and many others I'm sure) would like them to be but hey, it's a great tough reliable rifle that's cheaper than taking a chick to dinner for the home run.
I've seen guys pull off 1 inch groups with iron sights with SKS's.
Best I have done is around 3-4 +/- inch groups at 100m with iron sights using decent ammo, and I'm an inexperienced shooter, however some shots were landing on top of each other.
A lot of it depends on how well the receiver is bedded into the stock and ammo being used.
Best I have done is around 3-4 +/- inch groups at 100m with iron sights using decent ammo, and I'm an inexperienced shooter, however some shots were landing on top of each other.
A lot of it depends on how well the receiver is bedded into the stock and ammo being used.
Porkchopsandwhich
CGN Regular
This ^^^
Like an M14/M1a/m305 how the action fits in the stock is a large consideration for the accuracy potential of the sks.
Recently did the army shooting qualification (PWT3 for people in green) with an SKS and chinese copper washed and it was a solid pass. I get to keep the crown above the crossed rifle
Shooting distance are from 300m down to 25m. Some timings were ajusted due to mag capacity but total number of ammo remained the same as the C7 version. Target is "Herman the German" Figure 11 and was shot with iron sights.
Shows the capacity of the rifle and definitly a challenge
Shooting distance are from 300m down to 25m. Some timings were ajusted due to mag capacity but total number of ammo remained the same as the C7 version. Target is "Herman the German" Figure 11 and was shot with iron sights.
Shows the capacity of the rifle and definitly a challenge
It all comes down to what expectations you have for an SKS rifle?
Its cheap to feed, reliable, indestructible, economical, but on the other hand its crude construction prevents accuracy which it was not engineered for. The Surplus ammo itself is not accurate in the best of rifles.
If you want an economical rifle for cheap shooting, learning to shoot freehand, or just want sh*ts and giggles in a gravel pit, this is a good rifle.
If you want accuracy and wish to dump a lot of your hard earned cash into, this rifle should not be considered. Another 500 bucks worth of accessories and mods will still shoot like a 200 dollar rifle.
I like my SKS rifles for freehand gong shooting on the farm. If you can hit a 6 or 8 inch gong at 100 yards freehand, you're doing better than most people.
Its cheap to feed, reliable, indestructible, economical, but on the other hand its crude construction prevents accuracy which it was not engineered for. The Surplus ammo itself is not accurate in the best of rifles.
If you want an economical rifle for cheap shooting, learning to shoot freehand, or just want sh*ts and giggles in a gravel pit, this is a good rifle.
If you want accuracy and wish to dump a lot of your hard earned cash into, this rifle should not be considered. Another 500 bucks worth of accessories and mods will still shoot like a 200 dollar rifle.
I like my SKS rifles for freehand gong shooting on the farm. If you can hit a 6 or 8 inch gong at 100 yards freehand, you're doing better than most people.
SKS 100 YARD CHALLENGE. ONLY FOR MEN!
You get my meaning.
In my opinion an SKS is a gun that you take to the range so your buddies will keep their hands off your nice guns. It's a beater.
Loads of fun. Meant for spraying lead down range.
My SKS is a Russian 1951 IZZY. It's an older Molot import. Been kicking around in Canada for years.
I have read amazing stories of accurate SKS guns. But haven't seen any targets? I always post my targets when I say how my shooting went after a good day. So come on guys...targets...
Now there needs to be some rules too. No lead sleds or gun vices. Just rest your gun on sand bags or whatever. The butt stock fits in your shoulder. Not on a sand bag.
What I am saying is give this contest an honest run.
Next trip to the range I'm going to shoot three sets of five shots at 100 yards. I'm going to take a picture or video of how I am shooting. I will be sitting down, the for grip on a sand bag and the butt pad in my shoulder. I'll post all three targets and choose the best one.
I am willing to bet nobody will get under 4" and most will be 5"-6".
So who is in? Let's put these ridiculous claims to rest. The SKS is the last gun in my gun cabinet that I would do any serious target shooting with.
You get my meaning.
In my opinion an SKS is a gun that you take to the range so your buddies will keep their hands off your nice guns. It's a beater.
Loads of fun. Meant for spraying lead down range.
My SKS is a Russian 1951 IZZY. It's an older Molot import. Been kicking around in Canada for years.
I have read amazing stories of accurate SKS guns. But haven't seen any targets? I always post my targets when I say how my shooting went after a good day. So come on guys...targets...
Now there needs to be some rules too. No lead sleds or gun vices. Just rest your gun on sand bags or whatever. The butt stock fits in your shoulder. Not on a sand bag.
What I am saying is give this contest an honest run.
Next trip to the range I'm going to shoot three sets of five shots at 100 yards. I'm going to take a picture or video of how I am shooting. I will be sitting down, the for grip on a sand bag and the butt pad in my shoulder. I'll post all three targets and choose the best one.
I am willing to bet nobody will get under 4" and most will be 5"-6".
So who is in? Let's put these ridiculous claims to rest. The SKS is the last gun in my gun cabinet that I would do any serious target shooting with.
Thats a fair test.
Next range session i'll do 4 groups of 5 rounds at 100m in the prone unsupported (stock in the shoulder and holding the front handguard), like it was meant to be fired in the first place. Ammo used will be CopperWashed Norinco.
Are we posting here or making a thread called "The Official 100m SKS Accuracy Challenge for Men" ?
No lead sled, surplus ammo, in the OEM format (iron&wood)
Next range session i'll do 4 groups of 5 rounds at 100m in the prone unsupported (stock in the shoulder and holding the front handguard), like it was meant to be fired in the first place. Ammo used will be CopperWashed Norinco.
Are we posting here or making a thread called "The Official 100m SKS Accuracy Challenge for Men" ?
No lead sled, surplus ammo, in the OEM format (iron&wood)
