What precision rig for 900.00
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That's a little bit tight for a precision rig IMO.
I'd suggest a Rem 700 SPS Varmint. You'll have a sub-MOA rifle, and a good one. The only thing that you may eventually feel the need to replace in the future is the stock.
I'd also suggest Burris 20 MOA base and XTR rings, you'll have good stuff for the price.
However, with that, you'll should already be around $900, and you still need a scope... Building a precision rig isn't cheap, but if you can save up some more and add $300-$500 to you budget you could get a Falcon scope or Bushnell 4200, and that would be a good starter. Very good starter in fact, depending on what you want to do, you may never feel the need to get another scope.
I'd suggest a Rem 700 SPS Varmint. You'll have a sub-MOA rifle, and a good one. The only thing that you may eventually feel the need to replace in the future is the stock.
I'd also suggest Burris 20 MOA base and XTR rings, you'll have good stuff for the price.
However, with that, you'll should already be around $900, and you still need a scope... Building a precision rig isn't cheap, but if you can save up some more and add $300-$500 to you budget you could get a Falcon scope or Bushnell 4200, and that would be a good starter. Very good starter in fact, depending on what you want to do, you may never feel the need to get another scope.
Your best bet would be to pick up a used Savage without a scope for a tad more. My last target scope NF was twice that amount.
Anouther option would be to look at older target rifles. There were a lot of Mausers, Springfields, Endfields ect rebarreled for 308 to shoot long range. Should be able to pick one up and have some change.
Anouther option would be to look at older target rifles. There were a lot of Mausers, Springfields, Endfields ect rebarreled for 308 to shoot long range. Should be able to pick one up and have some change.
There are no new "precison" rifles on the market for $900. You will also need to spend an equal amount on optics, rings and mounts.
Look for a used Savage FTR in .308.
99% of rifles advertised as "precision" in the EE - aren't.
Look for a used Savage FTR in .308.
99% of rifles advertised as "precision" in the EE - aren't.
Agreed - to have a 'precision' rifle and scope for $900 is tight. I think $1200 would make a world of difference, but that would still be just the bare minimum of what I would start calling 'precision'. I am not real sure on pricing, but for an econo precision rifle I would look at a Tikka T3 Lite and use a Falcon Optics scope... I think a combo like that would run about ~1300. Definitely stick to a scope with target turrets.
That being said, 1 MOA is no problem to get to. Lots of rifles shoot 1MOA; once you get below 0.5MOA things start getting exponentially more expensive.
Also, don't make the same mistake I did - don't think you can buy ammunition and the gun will shoot it accurately - if you want to really get exceptional accuracy you have to reload and that is all there is to it.
That being said, 1 MOA is no problem to get to. Lots of rifles shoot 1MOA; once you get below 0.5MOA things start getting exponentially more expensive.
Also, don't make the same mistake I did - don't think you can buy ammunition and the gun will shoot it accurately - if you want to really get exceptional accuracy you have to reload and that is all there is to it.
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900 bucks and precision don't really go together in my opinion. Like LloydM says reloading is the real answer for sub-MOA accuracy.
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You'll get 1MOA, but not much better, and maybe not consistently.
Look into a used Savage and see if you can get a $400 match barrel from Mystic.
You'll be at $900 and have not even got optics yet, but it is a good start.
Look into a used Savage and see if you can get a $400 match barrel from Mystic.
You'll be at $900 and have not even got optics yet, but it is a good start.
SPS Varmint or SPS Tactical plus a Bushnell 3200 10X tactical scope should be doable at your price point. Not exactly a precision rig, but I'm guessing you're looking moreso toward a tactical rig that shoots straight.
It'll get you in the game and you can mod and improve as your finances allow. i.e., replacing factory stock, trigger job or new jewel, better optics, or picatinny rail base, quality rings such as TPS, NF, Badger, etc...
It'll get you in the game and you can mod and improve as your finances allow. i.e., replacing factory stock, trigger job or new jewel, better optics, or picatinny rail base, quality rings such as TPS, NF, Badger, etc...
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- Virden, MB
I hate the SPS Varmint rigs for one reason.
Barrel Length.
They are so front heavy that they are useless off bags. Yet they shoot no better than a regular 700 with a sporter weight barrel. I think the SPS tactical might be a better option, but then they are on the short side at 20".
Anyways, no more SPS Varmint for me.
Barrel Length.
They are so front heavy that they are useless off bags. Yet they shoot no better than a regular 700 with a sporter weight barrel. I think the SPS tactical might be a better option, but then they are on the short side at 20".
Anyways, no more SPS Varmint for me.
I know, it's not a $900 rifle, but still, impressive with FACTORY ammo!!
http://www.snipercentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=28137&highlight=
Mike R. rifles are truly exceptional. This is the tightest group I've seen, I think, from one of his rifle, but he guarantees .25 MOA, and his test groups are almost always under .2 MOA, from what I've seen at least.
A used Savage in 308 with less expensive rings and mounts and a Bushnell 3200 10x scope might get you a sub-moa set up in the price you are looking at. My Savage Precision Carbine in 308 is a sub-moa rifle with match ammo but you budget is gone just for the rifle without mounts or a scope. Precision is a relative term so glad you are looking at just a moa rifle for that price!
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=395664
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=395664
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Thanks everyone
REading this helps me understand what I am looking for.
I guess I am looking more for a 'tactical rig' as someone stated as our club has 1,2 and 300m ranges and want to be .5-1 moa if possible for about 900.00
Does this help my gun/scope choice in .308?
There are so many rigs (one right now for 900 w/scope on EE) and make/models, but I just don't know enough about them to make a knowledgeable choice. I will not get into the superior precision rigs, but want to make ragged holes at 100m.
again - help?
REading this helps me understand what I am looking for.
I guess I am looking more for a 'tactical rig' as someone stated as our club has 1,2 and 300m ranges and want to be .5-1 moa if possible for about 900.00
Does this help my gun/scope choice in .308?
There are so many rigs (one right now for 900 w/scope on EE) and make/models, but I just don't know enough about them to make a knowledgeable choice. I will not get into the superior precision rigs, but want to make ragged holes at 100m.
again - help?
What model of rifle and scope is the add is for?
Accuracy is determined by the weakest of 3 areas - Shooter, Rifle, Ammo: Assuming you (shooter) are not the limiting factor, then many rifles can produce 'ragged holes' at 100 M - but if you just plan on buying factory ammo then you may never see this because the factory ammo might be the limiting factor. Sometimes you get lucky and find a rifle/ammo combo that work well together out of the box, but it can be hit and miss with factory ammo. If you reload you will be able to produce very accurate ammo, and the limiting factor will likely be the rifle.
Tikka, Savage, or Remington rifles are likely to deliver good accuracy. Others too, but these are the rifles I am most familiar with.
As for the scope - you will need to spen at least $350. Falcon has some very nice budget tactical scopes for around $4-500; if you go with a Falcon you will get target turrets which will make it easy jumping from say 100M to 300M by just rotating the knob. Falcon scopes also come with good tactical reticles calibrated in MOA or milrads. You can also get a nice Bushnell 3200 scope with a mil-dot reticle for a good price - the problem I have with the 3200's though is that it is hard to find them with the target turrets - of course you can just remember how many mils to hold over.
If you spend $900 on a rig there is a good chance you won't be happy with the accuracy and will end up trading it for a more expensive rig sometime in the future anyway - so my advise is save your money, wait till you have about $1300ish and buy a nice Tika or Savage with a Falcon scope. That would not be the most precision rig out there, but I would be happy with something like that in my hands. Also, beyond that point you will start spending exponentially more money for exponentially smaller gains in accuracy.
Accuracy is determined by the weakest of 3 areas - Shooter, Rifle, Ammo: Assuming you (shooter) are not the limiting factor, then many rifles can produce 'ragged holes' at 100 M - but if you just plan on buying factory ammo then you may never see this because the factory ammo might be the limiting factor. Sometimes you get lucky and find a rifle/ammo combo that work well together out of the box, but it can be hit and miss with factory ammo. If you reload you will be able to produce very accurate ammo, and the limiting factor will likely be the rifle.
Tikka, Savage, or Remington rifles are likely to deliver good accuracy. Others too, but these are the rifles I am most familiar with.
As for the scope - you will need to spen at least $350. Falcon has some very nice budget tactical scopes for around $4-500; if you go with a Falcon you will get target turrets which will make it easy jumping from say 100M to 300M by just rotating the knob. Falcon scopes also come with good tactical reticles calibrated in MOA or milrads. You can also get a nice Bushnell 3200 scope with a mil-dot reticle for a good price - the problem I have with the 3200's though is that it is hard to find them with the target turrets - of course you can just remember how many mils to hold over.
If you spend $900 on a rig there is a good chance you won't be happy with the accuracy and will end up trading it for a more expensive rig sometime in the future anyway - so my advise is save your money, wait till you have about $1300ish and buy a nice Tika or Savage with a Falcon scope. That would not be the most precision rig out there, but I would be happy with something like that in my hands. Also, beyond that point you will start spending exponentially more money for exponentially smaller gains in accuracy.
You guys made good sense, so here is what I bought..
- Remington 700P with custom tuned trigger (3lbs pull.)
- HS Precision Stock. fully adjustable cheek rest and butt plate (same model used on the HS Precision HTR.) Professioanlly bedded by ATRS.
- HS Precision detachable mag bottom plate conversion professionally installed by ATRS.
- 1 HS Precision 10rnd detachable mag.
- Badger oversized bolt knob professionally installed by ATRS.
- Warne 20MOA scope rail.
- 1 set of TPS 30mm steel scope rings.
- Falcon Menace 4.5-18x56 scope with the ML20 reticle.
- Versapod bipod.
Thoughts? It looked good and was where I wanted to be -
basically at double my original intended price. good, bad or average buy?
- Remington 700P with custom tuned trigger (3lbs pull.)
- HS Precision Stock. fully adjustable cheek rest and butt plate (same model used on the HS Precision HTR.) Professioanlly bedded by ATRS.
- HS Precision detachable mag bottom plate conversion professionally installed by ATRS.
- 1 HS Precision 10rnd detachable mag.
- Badger oversized bolt knob professionally installed by ATRS.
- Warne 20MOA scope rail.
- 1 set of TPS 30mm steel scope rings.
- Falcon Menace 4.5-18x56 scope with the ML20 reticle.
- Versapod bipod.
Thoughts? It looked good and was where I wanted to be -
basically at double my original intended price. good, bad or average buy?
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Stevens 200.
SSS trigger.
EGW base and Burris Zee rings.
Elite 3200 (or similar).
Good luck.
I prefer your choice however. I am biased torwards the NUT, I am a NUTTY kind of guy, in a SAVAGE kind of way.
SSS trigger.
EGW base and Burris Zee rings.
Elite 3200 (or similar).
Good luck.
I prefer your choice however. I am biased torwards the NUT, I am a NUTTY kind of guy, in a SAVAGE kind of way.
Good for you – that is a very nice build. If you are reloading already I would say you are pretty well set. Two ‘luxuary’ items you may want to consider in the future are:
1) A Jewel Trigger – ATRS sets a trigger up very nice, and you will be happy with it for sure, but once you start shooting with the Jewel you will hate all other triggers
2) An ATRS muzzle break – I have 2 on larger calibers, and from the effectiveness on them I would say on a .308 it would eliminate recoil almost entirely.
I am sure someone will suggest upgrading the scope, but the Falcon is not bad at all, and yoo would have to spend a lot more to get marginally (my opinion) better glass. But be sure you are set up to reload before doing anything else!
Now go enjoy!
1) A Jewel Trigger – ATRS sets a trigger up very nice, and you will be happy with it for sure, but once you start shooting with the Jewel you will hate all other triggers
2) An ATRS muzzle break – I have 2 on larger calibers, and from the effectiveness on them I would say on a .308 it would eliminate recoil almost entirely.
I am sure someone will suggest upgrading the scope, but the Falcon is not bad at all, and yoo would have to spend a lot more to get marginally (my opinion) better glass. But be sure you are set up to reload before doing anything else!
Now go enjoy!
