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So I got my first handguns during the panic buy and because my nearest range is a 4 hour round trip I’ve only been shooting them 3 times so far and I’ve got a noob question for you all.
What range distance should I be shooting handguns at? My local range is setup for rifle and the nearest target is 25 yards but if no one’s around I sometimes move it closer to about 10 yards, ( I’ve asked and no one seems to mind as long as I don’t beat anything up) i sight in most of my rifles at 25 and 100 yards and I’m wondering what distance I should get into pistol training, one day I’d like to try IPSC and cowboy action, possibly 3 gun, any advice is appreciated
 
Typical pistol practice ranges are 7 and 10 yards (or metres). IPSC and others add 15 and 20. Cowboy can add matches to 25 to 50.

On the couple ranges I shoot at I generally shoot 10 to 25 yards. 50 frustrates me
 
In the Mexican Clubs, most "combat style" shooting is done between 3 yards and 25 yards. The San Miguel range has markers at 3, 5, 7 and 10 yards, 15 and 20 and 25. There are also markers at 30, 40 and 50. About 40% of the PPC is shot at 50 which is not really realistic -- but no training at 50 is wrong.

One of the North Hollywood bank robbers was about 55 - 60 yards from an LAPD Sherriff's Deputy who was hiding behind a concrete parking stantion. He was armed with a Beretta 92F and a head shot at that range is quite possible with a 92F. He had to do a head shot as the gunman was well armored except for his face. However, the Deputy had never practiced at 50 and so he was not confident in drawing attention to himself. That's just wrong -- not that he didn't have the confidence, but in the fact that they did not train him to do something that anyone who can shoot a group should be able to do: rest the gun (like on a parking stantion) and squeeze off three or four. If you've missed, the AK fire will let you know. But even coming close would have probably made the gunman retire back inside.

In your own case, you probably won't have to shoot at 50 (you're a civilian, you can run the other way) but if you have to, it's nice to know that you can do it. I often practice on Bianchi Plates on the San Miguel range with my 2-inch Model 49 Bodyguard at 50, cocking the piece and aiming about midway up the plate. It's more effective than you'd think. One never knows when one will be required to make the McQ shot.
 
Whatever distance you feel comfortable at. I do 25yards, as when I shoot PPC provincials that is the distance where majority of the points are.

Oh just because you see someone setting up longer distance doesn't mean you need to follow. If someone criticizes you for shooting closer, ignore them.

I was at a rent a range, I heard common sense. The guy was explaining to a young girl, that he wouldnt put something powerful in their hands till they are comfortable with lesser cals. Because they get discouraged with the recoil, or noise and that discourages them from wanting to contuine.

This is sorta the same with the distance. Shoot what you feel is comfortable.
 
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7-10yds is common. If it is to be used for home/self defense then consider the distances in your home and on your property for distances to practice.
 
I remember when CHAS only had a couple of ranges open, I shot my pistol at 50 m, aiming at the 4 steel plates (no pistol range open at the time). I couldn't consistently hit the smallest plate freehand at that range but it sure forced me to focus on fundamentals. Hitting the 3 larger plates was definitely possible.
 
International (ISSF) competition is run at 10metres for air guns , 25 metres for almost all other events and 50metres for ‘free pistol’. NRA bullseye uses 25 yards and 50 yards for slow fire. All of the ‘military matches’ are run at 25 metres. Of course all of these are shot one handed, unsupported. When I shot PPC for a couple of years three decades ago, the distances were 7, 15, 25, and 50 metres.
whatever the distance have fun and stay safe!

cheers dr j
 
So I got my first handguns during the panic buy and because my nearest range is a 4 hour round trip I’ve only been shooting them 3 times so far and I’ve got a noob question for you all. What range distance should I be shooting handguns at?

The target we use more than anything else is called 'Dot Torture', and most of the time we start at ~3 yards. If you shoot it clean, you can then move out. Compared to a bullseye at 50', or an IPSC 'A' zone at whatever distance, I think one can learn more - and more quickly - from a Dot Torture. It's certainly no replacement for different targets and different distances, but for learning to shoot, I think Dot Torture is hard to beat.

<https://pistol-training.com/shooting-drills/dot-torture/>
 
The really answer to your question lies in the answer to this question; how proficient are you at shooting handguns?

If you are a beginner, shooting at 25 yards is going to do nothing to to help you become a better shooter in the beginning. Start at between 5 to 10 yards and work on your skills. As you improve you can add distance / speed. You will also have an easier time assessing and diagnosing issues at a closer range.
 
One of the stages at IPSC Ontario Provincials 2023 offered 35 yards of distance to the plates and poppers. It was very stressful. This is probably the first time I shot a handgun that far.
 
The really answer to your question lies in the answer to this question; how proficient are you at shooting handguns?

If you are a beginner, shooting at 25 yards is going to do nothing to to help you become a better shooter in the beginning. Start at between 5 to 10 yards and work on your skills. As you improve you can add distance / speed. You will also have an easier time assessing and diagnosing issues at a closer range.

When my best friend and I were approaching the correct age, our first desire was to join the Brandon Rifle and Pistol Club and get ourselves some handguns. I had a K-38 Model 14 all lined up to buy off of a local RCMP Officer who was upgrading his PPC gun to a Model 19 6-inch. My best friend had a brand new 6-inch Colt Python already on layaway, although at twice the price, at Curly McKay Sporting Goods in Brandon. I was still 17 just coming up on 18, and he was coming up on 19, and things were a bit more lax back then.

Winter in Brandon sucks, and as December rolled around and I turned 18, we started going to the Club practices which were held weekly at the underground range in the Brandon RCMP building (now long closed down due to ventilation concerns). To be able to join the club -- a Bullseye Club chock full of Bullseye shooters -- we had to be able to fire 10-shots one-handed Bullseye style from 20 yards and keep them all into the black of the standard NRA 25-yard Bullseye target. To this day, I don't know if that was a real rule or one that was just put out there to keep a couple of obvious cowboys and hell-raisers from joining the club. Anyway, one of the bullseye shooters took pity on us and told us that we didn't have to do "the test" using our .38 Caliber guns that we were hoping to buy. We could use his S&W Model 41, and if we bought the bullets we could practice with it and he would teach us how to shoot the 10 shots into the black at 25 yards.

To this day, I say: "Thank you, Mike Doig! My friend and I were and are really good shots and we owe that all to you." Learn to shoot. Learn to make rested headshots at 50 and guaranteed bodyshots (using two hands, of course) at 50 from standing. Once you can do that, make it faster. It's trigger control and front sight, front sight, front sight. (Oh, and bang the rocks together, but that's another story....). And do the close range and mid-range practices as well. It's all shooting. They sell reduced size PPC targets so you can shoot the 50-yard stage on a 25-yard indoor range. It's no real big difference. A bit further away is still just a bit further away, learn to shoot groups and then work up to it. Aim small, miss small. When we got into IPSC (actually, we started it in Manitoba) we found that the guys who could shoot the Bullseye stuff only had to speed up and they were deadly. The fast rip-roarin' run-'n-gun guys who were instantly attracted to the new sport but who had no Bullseye experience were deadly close-up but often easier to defeat by just throwing in a few more distant targets. Since a deadly threat from 50 yards can happen, although it is not common -- 50 remains a good distance to master.


One of the stages at IPSC Ontario Provincials 2023 offered 35 yards of distance to the plates and poppers. It was very stressful. This is probably the first time I shot a handgun that far.

Stan Levine, a Marine survivor of Tarawa, Iwo Jima and Okinawa told Phil Maher, myself and Phil Roettinger a story at Levine's own 80th birthday party in the Olé Olé Restaurant in San Miguel around 1997 or so. He told us that wading in the lagoon at Tarawa, marines were being cut down by a pillbox as they struggled in chestdeep water. A marine officer stood up, wrapped his sling and proceeded to shoot at the slit with his M1. He killed the gunner, reloaded, and then killed the assistant gunner who took over firing. With another reload, he killed the loader who took over from the first two. Then he and the rest around him continued their long slow watery walk towards the coconut log sea-wall. I remember Stan's comment was something like "When the management can shoot like that, it sort of inspires you to greater things."

I have read several very good books about Tarawa including the one by Robert Sherrod who was actually there himself and not been able to find anything out about such an incident. Whether the story was apocryphal for something Stan actually saw I do not know. I did not know enough about Tarawa at the time to ask specific questions and perhaps it's just as well. It was a good evening amongst real heroes and I was more than half their age and delighted to have been invited. It was not the place to shoot off my smart mouth over details, but the story stayed with me and I often repeat it in my Mexican training clinics.

One of the reasons I adore my Model 49 Bodyguard down in Mexico is that it can be cocked if need-be, for that rare but certainly possible head-shot from a distance and hopefully from a rest. The gun can do it, and I like to constantly make sure that I can do it by practicing at least a few rounds every practice out at 50. For the last 7 years, I only got to shoot it like once or twice a year on visits so I really had to rest those long shots as there is no way for me to practice with a snubby here in Canada.

My Model 49 was out of my direct possession for 7 years, in the care of a friend. I just got it back into my fulltime custody this past winter and keep it safely at my sister-in-law's in Irapuato. I took this shot of the 49 and some of it's accoutrements just before heading out for breakie with my wife in Salamanca. One of Mexico's rougher towns. Since I carry it without updated paperwork, I leave the speedloaders behind and just use the speedstrip and heavy loads (a Lee 160 SWC and 4.5 grains of bullseye powder). Anyway, hollowpoints are illegal in Mexico, except for use inside your home where the rules change a bit in one's favor.

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I observed when I got the gun back that my friend had obviously lost the Tyler T-grip I had always had mounted on the little devil, and he sadly told me he lost it while moving and still hoped to find it. I told him not to worry so much as I had every intention of installing Pachmyar Compac Pros onto the gun as they do not cover the backstrap and should not affect trigger reach or concealment all that much. I tried out such a set-up on friend Fabian's Model 49 in Queretero this past March and with the stout loads it hurts my little girly hand a lot less.

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I shoot mine from 10-25 yards. Beyond that, I find it difficult to align the sights and the bull’s eye on the target.

So, I guees the answer is: it depends on how good your eyes are.
 
I shoot mine from 10-25 yards. Beyond that, I find it difficult to align the sights and the bull’s eye on the target.

So, I guees the answer is: it depends on how good your eyes are.

That's a problem too. One of my best friends in Mexico had to get "special glasses" for shooting beyond about 20 yards. He ended up going to an optometrist who was in the Queretero Club and took along a toy airsoft pistol to demonstrate where his perfect-point-of-focus had to be. It always reminds me of the scene in "Magnum Force" in the indoor gunrange when Officer Sweet changes his glasses before shooting Harry's .44 when my friend changes his glasses as our targets move further out in the competitions. But it seems to have worked for him.

 
Winter in Brandon sucks, and as December rolled around and I turned 18, we started going to the Club practices which were held weekly at the underground range in the Brandon RCMP building (now long closed down due to ventilation concerns). To be able to join the club -- a Bullseye Club chock full of Bullseye shooters -- we had to be able to fire 10-shots one-handed Bullseye style from 20 yards and keep them all into the black of the standard NRA 25-yard Bullseye target. To this day, I don't know if that was a real rule or one that was just put out there to keep a couple of obvious cowboys and hell-raisers from joining the club. Anyway, one of the bullseye shooters took pity on us and told us that we didn't have to do "the test" using our .38 Caliber guns that we were hoping to buy. We could use his S&W Model 41, and if we bought the bullets we could practice with it and he would teach us how to shoot the 10 shots into the black at 25 yards.

To this day, I say: "Thank you, Mike Doig! My friend and I were and are really good shots and we owe that all to you." Learn to shoot. Learn to make rested headshots at 50 and guaranteed bodyshots (using two hands, of course) at 50 from standing. Once you can do that, make it faster. It's trigger control and front sight, front sight, front sight. (Oh, and bang the rocks together, but that's another story....). And do the close range and mid-range practices as well. It's all shooting. They sell reduced size PPC targets so you can shoot the 50-yard stage on a 25-yard indoor range. It's no real big difference. A bit further away is still just a bit further away, learn to shoot groups and then work up to it. Aim small, miss small. When we got into IPSC (actually, we started it in Manitoba) we found that the guys who could shoot the Bullseye stuff only had to speed up and they were deadly. The fast rip-roarin' run-'n-gun guys who were instantly attracted to the new sport but who had no Bullseye experience were deadly close-up but often easier to defeat by just throwing in a few more distant targets. Since a deadly threat from 50 yards can happen, although it is not common -- 50 remains a good distance to master.




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I’ve shot a few pistols before getting mine (friends) and have shot mine a lot at no real set distance for fun but now I’d like to get proficient and start properly training, I have a deal with anyone who shows a little interest in handguns and shooting, if they pay for the gas and lunch (remember it’s 2hr drive there and 2hr drive back) I’ll provide all the ammo and guns, I love it and if the freeze hadn’t happened I’d probably have added at least 2 people to the restricted license list so far, Gota start properly training going in with my buddy soon who I’ve taken shooting a few times now he’d get his RPAL if he could I even even convinced him to get his first “ scary black rifle” he used to be a bit of a fudd lol
 
That's a problem too. One of my best friends in Mexico had to get "special glasses" for shooting beyond about 20 yards. He ended up going to an optometrist who was in the Queretero Club and took along a toy airsoft pistol to demonstrate where his perfect-point-of-focus had to be. It always reminds me of the scene in "Magnum Force" in the indoor gunrange when Officer Sweet changes his glasses before shooting Harry's .44 when my friend changes his glasses as our targets move further out in the competitions. But it seems to have worked for him.


True. I have a set of shooting glasses with three different interchangeable lenses for this reason. Hard to hit what you can't see. - dan
 
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