What range to zero?

That might be a good rule for regular calibers, but for one that's more than capable of 4000+ yards, 300 would be a waste.
If you knew better then other people and didn't want their opinion, then why ask for it?:bangHead:

I for one think 300 yards is a great distance to zero at, it's close enough that the environmental don't have much of an effect, so you can have confidence in the zero, but it's at least a couple steps out to get you started.
 
Last edited:
And the winner was using a NF. What is your point? One guy using one does not make buying it the best idea. The Ko2M is also just one competition so the sample size is not very large.

Sightrons are probably fine. Lots of people say the Barret 50 cals shipped with a Bushy 10X. Just because something is done does not make it the best idea.

As KThomas said, once the guy runs a few rounds through the thing the delta of buying a better scope will be a moot point.

I think it would be great if Sightron came to the market with a competitive optic for "tactical" shooting. More competition in the market is always a good thing for consumers, however, based on what I have seen they are not there yet. Bushnell/Athlon/Vortex (to a certain extent) have all disrupted the marketplace with competitive options and I would have no problem buying any of those brands and do run a Bushnell on one rig. If Sightron brings something to the market that stood up I would have no issue running one.

Ryan, I have been on a 2 year Crusade to get more stuff "tactical" stuff offered. Unfortunately, they have some substantial markets in Europe and Down Under and focused their energy there. Hopefully, they will see the opportunity and offer new stuff... See what SHOT 2018 offers.

Always nice to have more options.... but this was a post on ELR scope set up... and the Sightron SIIIs and SV's have done very well in this regard winning here and there in LR sports. Whether the features and brand appeals doesn't change the fact, they do work and I have had the pleasure of servicing a number of LR shooters enjoying these scopes.

YMMV

And there is a Xmas tree reticle.... LRMOA-H or LRMH-H

so....

but there is no doubt that Sightron needs to update the cosmetics and features to make it more contemporary.

Jerry
 
Ryan, I have been on a 2 year Crusade to get more stuff "tactical" stuff offered. Unfortunately, they have some substantial markets in Europe and Down Under and focused their energy there. Hopefully, they will see the opportunity and offer new stuff... See what SHOT 2018 offers.

Always nice to have more options.... but this was a post on ELR scope set up... and the Sightron SIIIs and SV's have done very well in this regard winning here and there in LR sports. Whether the features and brand appeals doesn't change the fact, they do work and I have had the pleasure of servicing a number of LR shooters enjoying these scopes.

YMMV

And there is a Xmas tree reticle.... LRMOA-H or LRMH-H

so....

but there is no doubt that Sightron needs to update the cosmetics and features to make it more contemporary.

Jerry

It is very odd that companies are so slow to adapt and it is unfortunate that they do not keep up more often. It is kind of like Leupold as well - the Mark 4s soldiered on unchanged for far too long. I can't think of too many sports where guys like gear as much as shooters.

I look forward to seeing what they can come up with.
 
It is very odd that companies are so slow to adapt and it is unfortunate that they do not keep up more often. It is kind of like Leupold as well - the Mark 4s soldiered on unchanged for far too long. I can't think of too many sports where guys like gear as much as shooters.

I look forward to seeing what they can come up with.

Exploring new niches has worked VERY well for them... they are pretty much the go to in some shooting sports which are actually very large BUT not done in NA. The "path less taken" seems to be the current direction and their overseas audience could also say that the rest of the optics market has been "slow" to offer anything for them.

But, we want more features and optics tailored to sports we do in NA. This we will have to see what Sightron comes up with in 2018....

Jerry
 
Meet a guy running a borrowed vortex at a match his sightron has crapped out the day before and he didn’t have time to get a good zero, kind of sucks to do all the prep work spend all the time and money to get to a shoot and have your equipment fail, do yourself a favour and buy a quality optic that will take the recoil of a boomer.
 
Meet a guy running a borrowed vortex at a match his sightron has crapped out the day before and he didn’t have time to get a good zero, kind of sucks to do all the prep work spend all the time and money to get to a shoot and have your equipment fail, do yourself a favour and buy a quality optic that will take the recoil of a boomer.

Sorry to hear that as equipment failure of any kind is very frustrating.. especially before a match.

Over 11 yrs of F class competition, scopes from every major brand have given up during a match. Unfortunately, scopes are one of the few items we use where wear is not obvious and their failure can happen at the worst of times. There is now effort by some shooters to test their scopes to monitor this wear - more gear, more money but seems to have identified a few "bad" scopes.

Not a brand bashing thing... this wear can happen to any scope from any brand. The goal is to test periodically to ensure the scope you use is working as it should.

Hopefully, scope manufactures will use this information to improve all their products.

Jerry
 
Scopes are mechanical items. Whether it's $100 or $6000, at some point it makes sense that it could fail. Obviously a much higher quality one should in theory last a lot longer, but it doesn't change the fact that it's still an assembled mass of parts. I'm sure to some degree as well that you're also paying for the name.

As competitors, we would dearly wish that price was an indicator of longevity. So far, it hasn't and you can imagine how frustrating that can become.

So now, methods are being used to test each scope. Feedback is that some models are working awesome... some unexpected brands too. But then there are some that seem to show up glitches more often. Is it the engineering? parts? Duty cycle? No one knows and of course, the scope manfs are not saying.... but I hope they are quietly revising their products

And this covers scopes costing $1500 to 3500....

When we have 5 figures tied up in optics on several rifles, not knowing that any particular scope will last a match is not fun.

Jerry
 
View attachment 130524

Equipment list from the IBS 600yds US Nationals in Memphis Oct 20-21, 2017

http://accurateshooter.net/pix/memph17004big.png

In case the pic doesn't work.

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2017/11/ibs-match-report-2017-600-yard-nationals-in-memphis/

The full write up. 4 of the top 10 rifles wore Sightrons.

Jerry

That's pretty neat. How many sightrons scopes used in 600 yard competition by super low recoiling rifles is a great example to how they are suitable for 3000-4000 yard shoots with large bore hard recoiling rifles.

Do you sell any other brands of scopes? You pump sightron awfully hard. They seem like decent scopes, thought about getting one for a .22 once. Would never consider one for a .375-.408 though, not with all the other options out there.
 
Tangent Theta is my other brand. Hey, if you are going to spend quantum bucks... why the heck not jump right off the bridge. Amazing scopes

Another brand is in the works. Hopefully be able to test some and make the announcement in the new year.

I guess I don't need to dig up pics and article of someone winning a NRA 50BMG 1000yds BR contest do I? I think it was a National event as well.. in Raton, New Mexico. It was a SIII 10-50X60 scope.

One of Sightrons largest markets is Field Rifle in the UK... Yep, they are a top brand in Air Rifle competition. They build scopes to take some serious shaking.

For the NA boomer market, they created the SVSS. One of the best and nicest side focus systems on any scope- that you have likely never heard about. 34mm, 42oz of big tough LR goodness. Not cheap but some very nice features and the most travel of any 50X scope that I have seen... and it is all useable. I have competed with one for a couple of seasons and it has help me add more trophies to the shelf.

Sightron makes a lot of decent stuff but their marketing and advertising is simply the WORST in this industry and they are VERY SLOW to react to the changes in the NA market. Hopefully, that will change.. but they are quietly supplying scopes and shooters are having great results.

YMMV

Jerry
 
Last edited:
Tangent Theta is my other brand. Hey, if you are going to spend quantum bucks... why the heck not jump right off the bridge. Amazing scopes

Another brand is in the works. Hopefully be able to test some and make the announcement in the new year.

I guess I don't need to dig up pics and article of someone winning a NRA 50BMG 1000yds BR contest do I? I think it was a National event as well.. in Raton, New Mexico. It was a SIII 10-50X60 scope.

One of Sightrons largest markets is Field Rifle in the UK... Yep, they are a top brand in Air Rifle competition. They build scopes to take some serious shaking.

For the NA boomer market, they created the SVSS. One of the best and nicest side focus systems on any scope- that you have likely never heard about. 34mm, 42oz of big tough LR goodness. Not cheap but some very nice features and the most travel of any 50X scope that I have seen... and it is all useable. I have competed with one for a couple of seasons and it has help me add more trophies to the shelf.

Sightron makes a lot of decent stuff but their marketing and advertising is simply the WORST in this industry and they are VERY SLOW to react to the changes in the NA market. Hopefully, that will change.. but they are quietly supplying scopes and shooters are having great results.

YMMV

Jerry

You seem to do a good enough job advertising for them. You never miss a beat to hawk sightron stuff. Heaven forbid someone else suggests something else, like S+B, Nightforce, Khales, etc. Not like they have ever won anything competitions like the all mighty Sightron...

You only push the products you sell, and seem to slam everything else. Unfortunately, people take your 13,000+ posts as some sort of divine knowledge, when really it's wasted time behind a computer. I guess you need to do what you need to do to make a sale, though I've never seen a sponsor on any site hawk their #### as much as you do. Their needs to be more candid discussions on the board without a site sponsor trying to line their pockets.
 
Last edited:
I've been lucky enough to test an eval lots of scopes. To be honest the STAC Sightron actually had impeccable glass and we were really excited to put it through it's paces given the impressive range of 2-17X and its' low price point. Unfortunately it doesn't seem they invested in the internals as much as the glass and it went down on us very quickly. The parallax went wonky on it and we were unable to focus the scope at all after about 40 rounds of .308. That being said I have had some high end scopes go down, just not as fast. I wouldn't hesitate on S&B's, NF and Vortex Gen II. I have trusted my life and the lives of others with those ones. I have mounted a few Sightron rifles on run of the mill hunting rifles and they work great for that purpose. I just don't think I would put them on anything that gets handled roughly.

Regarding the whole zeroing distance question. What cartridge and ranges do you usually shoot. I would often put my .338 at a 600 yd zero as with the MOA scope it had on it at the time it was usually right about a 10MOA difference down to 100 so a real easy number to work with when holding under at close range
 
One of Sightrons largest markets is Field Rifle in the UK... Jerry

Jerry , watch the first few minutes of this . New turrets for the S3 from Optics Warehouse . All this guys vids are good . I think he was the one telling a few months ago about US SOCOM sending 400 new S&B scopes back for replacement because they wouldn't track . At the time youtuber tiborasaurous rex was telling his subscribers to buy older used S&B scopes if they needed an S&B until this issue was resolved .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1ldMtOoOwI
 
You seem to do a good enough job advertising for them. You never miss a beat to hawk sightron stuff. Heaven forbid someone else suggests something else, like S+B, Nightforce, Khales, etc. Not like they have ever won anything competitions like the all mighty Sightron...

You only push the products you sell, and seem to slam everything else. Unfortunately, people take your 13,000+ posts as some sort of divine knowledge, when really it's wasted time behind a computer. I guess you need to do what you need to do to make a sale, though I've never seen a sponsor on any site hawk their #### as much as you do. Their needs to be more candid discussions on the board without a site sponsor trying to line their pockets.

Well, you have 13,000 posts that is open to search (all the way back to 2004) ... find my posts where I slam another scope brand. Be interesting to see how many posts are actually related to optics of any kind.

I try very very hard to never get into a mine is better then yours debate.... so I almost never talk about another product unless it is the focus of the discussion or I am asked. I am well aware that even well intended comments can be misunderstood as some dealer trashing something they don't sell... so I avoid that like the plague.

You seem to have a dislike for me and Sightron... fine. You also have a flair to over arch a discussion and suggest intent or comments that aren't correct. THIS post is a request for help to zero a scope... not talk about scope brands. My first post was sharing my experience in setting up my ELR zero (#9)... no mention was made of ANY scope nor would it matter.

One post, answers the OP's question... DONE.

Then the Sightron bashing began... I rebutt... more comments... I respond.... more comments and so forth. I certainly didn't start any discussion of scope brands.. the OP certainly didn't either.

Winter is long and the search engine kind of sort of works.... you say I trash other brands... by all means find the posts. But what I hope you find along the way is that the vast majority of posts answer queries directly with useable information based on my shooting experiences (since 1997). The vast majority don't even talk about a specific brand or product.

Whether you believe it or not, I started on this forum to share and discuss shooting tech... this I continue to do. Yes, I am a dealer and yes, that allows me to provide solutions but many times, the solutions I suggest are not products I sell..... so have a search, and if you still see me as a self serving carpet bagger, well, so be it.

Jerry
 
I believe I made my point, and this will be my last post in this thread. I wish I could say that I'm alone in how I feel about Mystic Precision, and how you choose to run your business. Unfortunately I don't have enough fingers and hands to count the number of people that feel the same as I do on this.

And for the record, I have no problems with Sightron. From what I hear, they make great scopes. There's just a lot better options for ELR type work. We just get sick and tired of hearing about Sightron in every single scope related thread. Whenever I see Mystic Precision post, I know it's to hawk Sightron, Rem 783's, or something else that you are selling.

And it's okay to convince people to buy what you sell, but you have a tendency to smash a square peg in a round hole, just for the sake of lining your pockets. You try and sell people on Sightron for any and every single type of shooting, regardless of it's a good fit for that discipline or not. And it doesn't end at Sightron, you try and tell people that the rem 783 is the greatest thing for budget PRS shooting (and you say you don't sell builds yet you are partnered up with a shady gunsmith and clearly are making money off of 783 builds), when in all reality you have zero experience with PRS and have no clue what a good rifle for that discipline would be.

I guess that's what really bothers me. You take advantage of people that don't know any better, and attempt to sell them your stuff when clearly there are better options out there for that discipline. It's painfully evident, and I think it shows a lack of ethics and character. And I know I am not alone on this, but I may be the only one that speaks up for it. I never speak up against site sponsors, but this gets ridiculous.
 
Last edited:
Back
Top Bottom