What reticle would you choose?

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some people say they like one, some the other: MP9 and the Dragunov

The MP9 is the standard NATO reticle for battle.
The Dragunov is the Soviet one.

One is bussier and the other offers more "snap" shooting freedom.

Wich one would you choose for an all-around scope?
the power behind it would be 4x.
 
Reticle

My scope has a version of the MP9, basically it is an MP8 mil dot reticle but with the 'free floating' centre dot of the MP9.
I really love that dot, it makes acquisition a breeze, I really cannot explain why but it is the best I have ever used.

The scope I have is an IOR
 
The Draganov rectical will only be usefull when shooting at Man sized targets....Its how the ranging system works and with mil spec ammo and would be an excellent scope on a battle rifle, AR-15 It is not a precision type scope for say bullseye shooting or gophers at long range. The MP8 is Awsome I realy like it and it is based on the miliradian system, being more accurate at extended ranges and targets of all sizes. I love the Leupy TMR Rectical it is increadibly accurate!! Here is a picture through the scope at 1000 yrds. My shooting partner took the pic he has a knack for it.

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eltorro said:
the power behind it would be 4x.

That's a good one : quoting myself.....
The MP8 would be my favorite too. For long rage and 8x and up.
Never seen a TMR reticle before. Thanks for the picture.

however, with the power of 4 , the mils are useless.
The only thing that kinda' gave me cold feet is the absence of the vertical on the Dragunov one.

They copied the old soviet style. I would have thought about some way to ease the target aquisition. The IOR has a different picture on their site. Different than the actual reticle in the scope that is.....
weird....:confused:

I think I'll go with the NATO - MP9 one.
For this choice the only two candidates are shown in the pictures. :(

Thanks, guys.
 
Mp9

mp9 isnt standard nato

anything like that is againsst the geneva convention unless you are a sniper

i know when i was in canadian army all we had was 1 post with a point at the top, and some crap at the bottom to assist in leading a target.
 
klink1983 said:
mp9 isnt standard nato

anything like that is againsst the geneva convention unless you are a sniper

i know when i was in canadian army all we had was 1 post with a point at the top, and some crap at the bottom to assist in leading a target.

Are you speaking of the Lietz scope on the FN-C1's.....I don't think that had anything to do with the Geneva convention. I think It had to do with it being the best scope at that time for that weapons system. Most battle sites I know of now have a ranging system built in wether it be an Elcan, Eotech, IOR,Leupold, S&B or what have you, I dont think It has anything to do with the "Convention", but I may be wrong.

Just an opinion;)
 
klink1983 said:
mp9 isnt standard nato

anything like that is againsst the geneva convention unless you are a sniper

i know when i was in canadian army all we had was 1 post with a point at the top, and some crap at the bottom to assist in leading a target.

It really doesn't matter if it against the Geneva convention or Shriner's convention for that matter!:rolleyes:

The danged targets here are paper or critters and sometimes steel!:D
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Geneva Convention does NOT specify or restrict sighting equipment. Those sections dealing with infantry weapoms deal exclusively with restrictions pertaining to projectiles. There is no mention of "snipers" or any other special classification, the agreed restrictions are general rather than specific.

For what its worth: The original Geneva Conventions were isnstigated by the Wermacht at the turn of the 20th century. The British arsenal at Dum-Dum in India had developed a superior infantry projectile that expanded. The Kaiser's army was worried that this would give the British Army a big advantage in the upcoming brouhaha, so they manuevered the French, among others, to lobby for an international convention to outlaw these "inhumane" projectiles. The convention was held in Geneva.

Other things outlawed in various Geneva conventions (that were promptly ignored) have included all sort of flame throwers, poison gas, explosive projectiles under 13mm, and lots of others.

Many countries (including Japan) never signed the Geneva Conventions, but the winners decided to apply their rules to the losers.

Back to the original question --with a 4X restriction, I would go with the German #4 reticle-- with choices presented, though, I would go with the MP9. I find that the Russian sniping reticle is probably great for what it was designed for, but for paper punching or hunting, it would have a long, steep learning curve. Some people enjoy suffering, though.

I have scopes equipped with these reticles mounted on various rifles, and while I cannot comment on the worth of various sniper reticles, never having the training, or experience, I have shot a fair amount of paper at some ranges going out to silly, and have cleanly killed big game animals out to my personal limit of confidence ( well under 400 yd under most conditions).
 
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That is true.

What we've been taught is that dum-dum- were explosive projectiles, not expanding. Might have been getting the wrong lessons though.

German #4 is among my favorites too, but the choices are those listed.
I went with the MP9.
got some training with the Dragunov, and none with the NATO one, but still I'm inclined to believe that for hunting/ target shooting the Dragunov would fall short.

I found it to be not neas as precise as the mildot system the others were using (the americans at that time) but incredibly fast for judging distance / engaging targets that resembled teh human shape and height.
They were calibrated for 1.7 m and took an experienced operator less than 3 seconds after ID to engage. Great for DMR rifles... wich they were used on anyways.

Thank you for your inputs.
 
My older brother had some dum dum's in his carridge collection when I was a kid.
Big azzed hoollow points made with a silver gilding metal, IIRC.

BIG hollow points!:eek:
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