What Rifle should I by for target practice for 100,200,300yds

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I am buying my first bolt gun, and I am not sure what to buy. I have approx $1k to $1300 to spend. I will be shooting at the ranges listed in the titles and will go with 308.
Should I go,
Remington,
Savage,
Winchester,
CZ,
Tikka....
New or Used?
I just want to shoot far, I maimly do target practice, but may want to kill a coyote at 500yards, who knows, I am planning on going 308win, just because it is available, and light on recoil for long periods of practice and shooting, and it wont break the pocket book.
Does anyone have any advice out there without starting a massive heated disscusion over what is best?
Thanks
 
Any of those should do. better get a good scope for 300 yds. Aslo, 300 yds is about tops for 308. There are better cals for 300 yds than that.
 
Its all personal preference once you have choosen the dollar figure that you wish to spend. Spend only what you can comfortably afford. So few factor in the components into the equation.
223 will be cheaper in the long run and just as accurate as the 308 at the ranges specified.
My preference in order based on accessories available and best triggers from the factory [with some adjustment] as well as proven track records for accuracy are Remington, Tikka, CZ, Savage!
Just my humble opinion.............
 
Any of those should do. better get a good scope for 300 yds. Aslo, 300 yds is about tops for 308. There are better cals for 300 yds than that.

Wow I shoot both .223 and .308 Target Rifle out to 1000 yards with iron sights and no rest:eek:

neil754, Look at a Savage with a 1:9 twist or a Tikka with a 1:8 in .223. A .223 with heavy bullets will keep up to a .308 and is about half price to reload.
 
Maynard, I laughed when I read that comment and it proves you get what you pay for with forum advice. Perhaps AWOL should read about Palma and TR shooting...

Are you factoring in your scope with your budget, or just the rifle? You will be spending as much money for a proper scope as you will for the rifle - or more.

For your budget, the Savage F-TR rifle will work perfectly. That $ does not include a scope.
 
I am factoring in only the rifle at the desired price.
Thankyou guys,
I have a path now.
 
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www.mysticprecision.com. If you go to the rifle tech section, I have some articles that can help with your decision.

For that type of budget, you can build a great shooting Savage or Stevens and be miles ahead with a quality match barrel.

For great factory rifle performance and the most options in the future with the least dollars spent, Savage.

For one rifle that you use as is till it dies, TIKKA Varmint.

Jerry
 
Maybe you guys are right, I am no hunter and would like the option though incase I change my mind, plus 223 has wind deflection, but 308 can too I suppose, and I am getting a new M4, so ONE type of ammo and the price would be better for the sake of the 223....What to do, I guess go 223. I am a range shooter so I guess I answered my own question.....lol
Thanks Guys.
 
Perhaps AWOL should read about Palma and TR shooting...

Perhaps you should read the original post:rolleyes:. It's his first bolt gun and he wants to shoot 300 yds for under $1300 including optics.

There are easier rounds for that distance like 222, 223 or 22-250 which are flatter, faster & much lower recoil than 308.

I suppose I could reword my comment as follows: It is more likely that a first time bolt gun owner will put a round on target at 300 yds with a 22-250 than a 308 for $1300 or less.
 
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Perhaps you should not have stated that 300 yards it tops for a .308:rolleyes: Here in Canada we shoot them out to 1000 yards at paper targets and in the UK they shoot Match Rifle all the way to 1200 yards with a .308.

The .223 isn't much flatter shooting than a .308. I know my come ups from 300 to 1000 yards are within a half minute of each other between my .223 and .308.

Perhaps I should have stated in my first post that, "not only is the .223 half the price to reload but with the right barrel twist and bullet will keep up with a .308 out to 1000 yards with almost no recoil";)
 
Any of those should do. better get a good scope for 300 yds. Aslo, 300 yds is about tops for 308. There are better cals for 300 yds than that.

.308 tops out @ 300 yards....:rolleyes:

I guess snipers better pick a better suited cartridge...the Marines(as well as many other branchs) have been using the .308 for sniper rifles probably since before you were born....:cool:




AR RAMADI, Iraq (Jan. 02, 2005) -- Seen through a twenty-power spot scope, terrorists scrambled to deliver another mortar round into the tube. Across the Euphrates River from a concealed rooftop, the Marine sniper breathed gently and then squeezed a few pounds of pressure to the delicate trigger of the M40A3 sniper rifle in his grasp.

The rifle's crack froze the booming Fallujah battle like a photograph. As he moved the bolt back to load another round of 7.62mm ammunition, the sniper's spotter confirmed the terrorist went down from the shot mere seconds before the next crack of the rifle dropped another.

It wasn't the sniper's first kill in Iraq, but it was one for the history books.

On Nov. 11, 2004, while coalition forces fought to wrest control of Fallujah from a terrorist insurgency, Marine scout snipers with Company B, 1st Battalion, 23rd Marine Regiment, 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit, applied their basic infantry skills and took them to a higher level.

"From the information we have, our chief scout sniper has the longest confirmed kill in Iraq so far," said Capt. Shayne McGinty, weapons platoon commander for "Bravo" Co. "In Fallujah there were some bad guys firing mortars at us and he took them out from more than 1,000 yards."

During the battle for the war-torn city, 1/23 Marine scout snipers demonstrated with patience, fearless initiative and wits that well-trained Marines could be some of the deadliest weapons in the world.

"You really don't have a threat here until it presents itself," said Sgt. Herbert B. *******, chief scout sniper, 1/23, and a 35-year-old police officer from Bryan, Texas, whose specialized training and skill helped save the lives of his fellow Marines during the battle. "In Fallujah we really didn't have that problem because it seemed like everybody was shooting at us. If they fired at us we just dropped them."

Stepping off on day one of the offensive from the northern edge of the Fallujah peninsula, the Marine reservists of 1/23, with their scout snipers, moved to secure a little island, but intense enemy fire near the bridgeheads limited their advance. Insurgents littered the city, filtering in behind their positions with indirect mortar and sniper fire.

"The insurgents started figuring out what was going on and started hitting us from behind, hitting our supply lines," said ******* in his syrupy Texas drawl. "Originally we set up near a bridge and the next day we got a call on our radio that our company command post was receiving sniper fire. We worked our way back down the peninsula trying to find the sniper, but on the way down we encountered machinegun fire and what sounded like grenade launchers or mortars from across the river."

With a fire team of grunts pinned down nearby, ******* and his spotter, Cpl. Geoffrey L. Flowers, a May 2004 graduate of Scout Sniper School, helped them out by locating the source of the enemy fire.

"After locating the gun position we called in indirect fire to immediate suppress that position and reduced it enough so we could also punch forward and get into a house," explained *******. "We got in the house and started to observe the area from which the insurgents were firing at us. They hit us good for about twenty minutes and were really hammering us. Our indirect fire (landed on) them and must have been effective because they didn't shoot anymore after that."

Continuing south down the peninsula to link up with the Bravo Co. command post, ******* and Flowers next set up on a big building, taking a couple shots across the river at some suspected enemy spotters in vehicles.

"The insurgents in the vehicles were spotting for the mortar rounds coming from across the river so we were trying to locate their positions to reduce them as well as engage the vehicles," said *******. "There were certain vehicles in areas where the mortars would hit. They would show up and then stop and then the mortars would start hitting us and then the vehicles would leave so we figured out that they were spotters. We took out seven of those guys in one day."

Later, back at the company command post, enemy mortar rounds once again began to impact.

"There were several incoming rockets and mortars to our compound that day and there was no way the enemy could have seen it directly, so they probably had some spotters out there," said 22-year-old Flowers who is a college student from Pearland, Texas.

" Our (company commander) told us to go find where the mortars were coming from and take them out so we went back out," remembered *******. "We moved south some more and linked up with the rear elements of our first platoon. Then we got up on a building and scanned across the river. We looked out of the spot scope and saw about three to five insurgents manning a 120mm mortar tube. We got the coordinates for their position and set up a fire mission. We decided that when the rounds came in that I would engage them with the sniper rifle. We got the splash and there were two standing up looking right at us. One had a black (outfit) on. I shot and he dropped. Right in front of him another got up on his knees looking to try and find out where we were so I dropped him too. After that our mortars just hammered the position, so we moved around in on them."

The subsequent fire for effect landed right on the insurgent mortar position.

"We adjusted right about fifty yards where there were two other insurgents in a small house on the other side of the position," said Flowers. "There was some brush between them and the next nearest building about 400 yards south of where they were at and we were about 1,000 yards from them so I guess they thought we could not spot them. Some grunts were nearby with binoculars but they could not see them, plus they are not trained in detailed observation the way we are. We know what to look for such as target indicators and things that are not easy to see."

******* and Flowers then scanned several areas that they expected fire from, but the enemy mortars had silenced.

"After we had called in indirect fire and after all the adjustments from our mortars, I got the final 8-digit grid coordinates for the enemy mortar position, looked at our own position using GPS and figured out the distance to the targets we dropped to be 1,050 yards," said Flowers with a grin. "This time we were killing terrorism from more than 1,000 yards."
 
I suppose I could reword my comment as follows: It is more likely that a first time bolt gun owner will put a round on target at 300 yds with a 22-250 than a 308 for $1300 or less.

Maybe you should just put the shovel down while your head is above ground. :D
 
my stevens 200 with elite 3200 can shoot close to 1 moa at 300 yards on a good day with 150gr fmj that i reload. gun, scope, mount and bipod cost me about 800.
 
i bought a r700 sps tactical, promag base from mystic, through on a older scopecheif with targat knobs, with handloads it has shot 2'' at 240 yards, best 3 shot group was under .5'', .467'' to be exact at 100 yards, this is with no bedding and a flimsy stock, all under 1k,
69gr smk work great in my rifle
 
Thats crazy, 308 going out that far, 1200 yards as mentioned in the UK. I also read some SAS snipers in the 70s or 80s waxed some IRA guys at 1200 or 1300 yards or something crazy like that with Parker Hales in 308 with bloddy 4 power scopes!!!

But anyway, way off track! So, I have decided I think I am going to hold off for awhile, I am still set on 308, because I will already have a 223, my m4.

But you guys are still saying 223 can really do the job, and I am not questioning that, I am just a little surprised.
Of course when I was in the Service, I shot a C9 light machinegun in 5.56mm (223) at 600m, and was getting on target with my 3.5 power Elcan, and two of five rounds would hit the target consistently with every burst, no wind of course, and a perfect sunny day it was in beauitful Wainwright.
So, I may lean towards 223. YOu can do way more high volume shooting, and than I am just reloading one calibre or buying for my M4 and whatever will end up being my sniper rig.
I think it will be 223 boys,
perhaps a nice Tikka T3 Tac or Tikka T3 Varmiant, the bolts are so dam smooth. Thanks guys, and in the the end if I take up hunting, I have my trusty 30-30 or 303.

Cheers
And Thanks Again
Shooters
neil754
 
Hell I got to get rid of my TR in 308,'cause it's no good past 300, according to AWOL!!! :rolleyes:

All those wasted years in the army carrying a useless FNC1!!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Oh the pain! All those poor wretched souls at Bull Meadow and Rosebud taken in by the wicked 308!!!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

PS: I would like to sincerely add here lastly, that some fellow CGN shooters have done very well with 223 target grade boltguns, at long long range!
 
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