This thread lost all COMMON sense when the 9mm was selected as a WOODS protection cartridge.....
Not just once but 32 times???
LAUGHABLE!
Some people on here need to do a little research on the round they would intend to trust their lives too.
Once again from the FBI's own research...
13. Are you saying the 9mm is no good??
No. We are saying it is as good as the .38 Special which has served us for a long time.
It has severe limitations which we are not willing to accept. It is woefully inadequate
for shooting at people in cars, for example, and over half of our shootings involve
vehicles. It is a marginally adequate wounding agent. We have had a number of 9mm
shootings over the past couple of years, and if you define a good shooting as one in
which the subject stops whatever he was doing when he gets shot, we have yet to have a
good one, and we are hitting our adversaries multiple times. We have shot half a dozen
dogs in the past year and have not killed one yet, although we have run up a significant
veterinary bill. The 9mm with proper ammunition is not a bad round. It is just nowhere
near as effective as the 10mm and .45 offerings, and the disparity between it and the
larger calibers has remained a constant throughout all the testing we have done over the
past two years.
FBI Miami shootout, 1986
On April 11, 1986, a shootout occurred in Miami, Florida, between multiple FBI agents and two heavily armed suspects. Later known as the FBI Miami shootout, the firefight claimed the lives of two agents, Gerald Dove and Benjamin Grogan, as well as the two suspects, William Matix and Michael Platt. Five other agents were injured.
The incident is infamous: despite outnumbering the suspects, the agents found themselves pinned down by rifle fire, and the suspects were not incapacitated by repeated hits from handguns, and continued to fight after being shot.
Background
The FBI agents were investigating a series of violent bank robberies, and had reason to believe the suspects drove a 1979 Chevrolet Monte Carlo. On April 11, agents manned ten cars on the lookout for the suspect vehicle. At about 9 a.m., Grogan and Dove spotted the vehicle, and began to follow it. Several other cars joined them, and eventually an attempt was made to stop the suspect car, which was forced off the road. The shootout then began.
Weapons
Suspects
Ruger Mini-14 rifle
S&W M586 .357 Magnum revolver
Dan Wesson .357 Magnum revolver
S&W M3000 12 gauge shotgun
FBI
Smith & Wesson .357 and .38 Special revolvers
S&W 459 9mm pistols
Remington 870 12 gauge shotgun
The shootout
Immediately after being forced off the road, Platt began firing the Mini-14 from the car, while Matix fired a single round from the shotgun. Matix was soon hit twice by the agents, and he was apparently knocked unconscious. He fired no more shots throughout the battle. Platt, however, had already injured two agents with the rifle.
Platt climbed out a car window, and was soon hit several times, yet he continued fighting, now firing a revolver. He also continued to use the rifle, despite injuries to his right hand and arm, and caused agents more injuries, including a shot to the neck.
Military-trained, Platt aggressively advanced on Grogan and Dove's car, which they (so far uninjured) were using for cover. Reaching their position, he continued firing the rifle. Platt killed Grogan with a shot to the chest, shot another agent in the groin, and then killed Dove with two shots to the head. Platt himself had been hit six times at this point.
Platt entered Grogan and Dove's car, apparently attempting escape. He was joined by Matix, who had regained consciousness and crawled unseen to Platt's position.
The fight was ended by agent Edmundo Mireles, who, despite having been hit in the arm by Platt's opening shots, returned fire with his shotgun one-handed, then stood up and advanced directly towards the car, shooting six rounds of .38 Special from his revolver, hitting Matix three times and Platt twice. Both were finally killed.
Toxicology tests showed that the astounding abilities of Platt and Matix to fight through multiple traumatic gun shot wounds and continue to battle and attempt to escape were not achieved through any chemical means. Both of their bodies were completely drug- and alcohol-free at the time of their deaths.
Aftermath
Alarmed by the perceived lack of stopping power the FBI's 9mm service pistols exhibited, they soon began the search to adopt a more powerful caliber. Also noting the difficulties of reloading a revolver while under fire, they specified that agents be armed with semiautomatic handguns. The Smith & Wesson 1076 10mm Auto was chosen as a direct result of the Miami shootout.
Media
The events leading up to and including the April 11 shootout were adapted into a made-for-television movie, In The Line Of Duty: The FBI Murders, starring Michael Gross as William Matix and David Soul as Michael Platt.
The incident is prominently featured in the dissident novel Unintended Consequences by John Ross.
The film Heat is thought to be based upon this event.
