What should I pay? Pics added!....but Bubba was here.....

Tower of London

It was not until 1803 that anything was done to tighten up the system of contractors and deliveries by the establishment of a centrally controled group of workmen at the Tower of London.

A few years later facilities at Lewisham were set up and the entire manufacturing force was moved there, only to later be divided up again between the Tower of London and a new facility at Enfield Lock.

On the night of the 30 October 1841 a huge fire completely gutted the Armouries and the Ordnance Workshops of the Tower of London destroying at least a quarter of a million smallarms. Needless to say, the Ordnance decided then to start spreading their stocks around the country!

With acknowledgement to D.W. Baileys excellent reference source.
 
Tower 1861

The "third" Model P53 Enfield is the most commonly encountered Enfield and bear dates between 1858 and 1863.

It was this model that made up the bulk of P53 Enfields supplied to both sides during the America Civil War. I guess we'll find out when we have the photos!!
 
It sounds like I am out by a couple of years in my model dates. The other Enfield I am thinking of is .75 cal and is a rifled version of the P41 which is a percussion smoothbore of .75 cal. There were only about 5000 rifled and replaced a couple of years later by the P53 in .58 cal. I have a P41 as well as a rifled shortened civilian model (I presume) by T Potts

cheers mooncoon
 
if he,s not a gun guy or the wall mounts means nothing to him,
why not say i,ll take it.....what do you want for it?...
you neaver know.........he just might give it to you:D
 
Foggy....I still goota sleep at night ;) Besides, even if the gun was worth 10k, this man's business is responsible for far more than that in by companny account anually. I've kept him abreast, and assuming the freezing rain stops I'm heading down today to pick it up. Once we identify it he and I will work something out. However......we may have spawned a new GunNut. He is fascinated by the hisory attached to some of these guns. Wait till he sees what was posted about the tower! Thanks P53!

With any luck pics by tonight!
 
Your'e welcome for sure.

Moncoon, i think you may be thinking of the altered Pattern 1842 Rifled Musket, that was indeed .75 Cal.

Issued to the Royal Marines, at the same time the Infantry were receiving the first of the Pattern 1851 Minie Rifles, which it very closely resembles.

Will you post some pics, please!
 
Uh oh......bubba tried to make it pretty:redface:
Stock is broken at the wrist, some screws replaced, and....of course....the obligatory buba coat of paint and polyurethane:mad:

Here you go! Throw some info/values at me. I won't be buying it, but I told him someone would want it.

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- Pattern 1853 Third Model Enfield Rifle-Musket, caliber .577, no British Army marking so definitely an export piece. No Union or Confedereate Government stamps either, so it is probably a Northern State contract piece.

- Heavily sanded stock removing a lot of wood in the process and also repair made with plastic wood. All this butchering greatly reduces the value of the piece, even with a lot of restoration work it will only be a decorator piece at best. Personnally, I would not pay more than $400.00 to $500.00 and I might be even to generous in my evaluation.
 
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The crown is on the rear of the lockplate, does it have VR under it? What does the cartouche on the buttstock say?
 
The varnish is easily removed. the biggest problem is the sanded, broken and plastic wood repaired stock.

Thus far, I have to agree with JP's evaluation.
 
You answered it anyway, cartouche or roundel would be on right of buttstock not the hand-scratched name in the photo. That is also a Government property mark and in tandem with the VR would have made the rifle a British issue piece. Since neither is present, I stand with my first statement and the rifle is probably a US Civil War piece ordered for a State Volunteer Regiment from one of the private british gunmakers (sometimes the name of the maker can be found on the reverse of the lockplate or inside the barrel channel in the stock. Since you do not own the piece I recommend you do not take it apart to find out.
 
- the crown does not appear engraved, but it (as well as a border around the lock plate) appear to be applied gold?
I doubt it, probably just the dried varnish.


Appears to be a smooth bore?

Rifling is very shallow on these rifle-musket, probably worn down over time.


If the musket was yours, removing the varnish on the lockplate would help in making a better identification.
 
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Looks just like the pic i posted :rolleyes:
only YUK
I think JP is being generous with his $400 value.
I wouldnt buy it either.
But you might get $300 for your buddy for it in the EE here.
 
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