What the heck is this thing? Need help to identify! Musket of some sort.
- Thread starter blakeyboy
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can't see any markings on barrel except left side what looked to be upside down and i can't remember now if it was a 12, FR....otherwise zip all i could find for markings and yeah the bore is huge, looks bigger than 12 gauge, i used bright flashlight and could see to bottom and it looks good
will google away, if anyone has rough idea what i could expect to get for it at a gun show please pm me, as i'd love to have some idea if i want to pick it up or not?
will google away, if anyone has rough idea what i could expect to get for it at a gun show please pm me, as i'd love to have some idea if i want to pick it up or not?
i'm googling like a madman, eos gave me great start, seeing lots of these and not in as good condition asking for the 8-950 buck range u.s., assuming the Canadian market isn't quite as good? i'm not a collector, i found and flipped a nice savage 99 eg in 358 and it was kind of fun, this is an estate deal and i'm trying to help, i have offered to buys some others i've learned about and just trying to learn about this one, its kind of fascinating stuff....to imagine what that rifle has seen in its day, sounds like 26,000 of them were imported by u.s. military for the civil war stuff, i know that some of the rifles in the estate came from denmark possibly too? not sure if this came across from europe or part of the stuff the u.s. brought over? sure seems to be in great shape compared to what i'm seeing in my googles
anyone interested in this pm me, might look pretty good in my safe too, very cool, appears to be missing rear sight and i noticed that but i don't see any rust on the one i looked at, and saw comments of the lighter colored wood used on a europe ones, forgot the name of the wood already but i would not be surprised this one came direct and have no doubt that bore is .77" never thought to measure, just looked at it today and took those pictures....would my guess of a few hundred for it at a gunshow be any good? please feel free to pm if you have any idea what it might be worth, i know its not an old winchester but still appears to be worth a bit more than nothing?
anyone interested in this pm me, might look pretty good in my safe too, very cool, appears to be missing rear sight and i noticed that but i don't see any rust on the one i looked at, and saw comments of the lighter colored wood used on a europe ones, forgot the name of the wood already but i would not be surprised this one came direct and have no doubt that bore is .77" never thought to measure, just looked at it today and took those pictures....would my guess of a few hundred for it at a gunshow be any good? please feel free to pm if you have any idea what it might be worth, i know its not an old winchester but still appears to be worth a bit more than nothing?
The rifle is what was refered to as a Brazilian Light Minie, made by Liege for the Emperor Dom Pedro and imported by William J. Syrus & Brothers. The first example of this gun was seen in the Marine Corps Museum at Quantico, Virgina. They are often found in Civil War Collections and were likely used with other imports until Government armories where able to supply troops with the Springfield pattern musket. Some of these muskets are stamped OHIO and sights are usually missing.
I have had one on the market for about 1 year at $800.00 and no takers.
I have had one on the market for about 1 year at $800.00 and no takers.
so more googling and i found this comment from a guy asking questions about shooting one
"The gun in question is not an Enfield, but very similar. It's called a Brazilian Light Minie Rifle. It seems the best anyone knows, a few thousand (at most; could be as few as a couple of hundred) of these were bought in Belgium by the U.S. government in 1862. It was originally intended for a Brazilian contract, but arms-hungry agents were buying anything anyone had in stock in Europe at the onset of the CW."
so is it a version of the m1849 austrian or is it different rifle altogether?
"The gun in question is not an Enfield, but very similar. It's called a Brazilian Light Minie Rifle. It seems the best anyone knows, a few thousand (at most; could be as few as a couple of hundred) of these were bought in Belgium by the U.S. government in 1862. It was originally intended for a Brazilian contract, but arms-hungry agents were buying anything anyone had in stock in Europe at the onset of the CW."
so is it a version of the m1849 austrian or is it different rifle altogether?
- Location
- Algoma region
Any idea, is there any value, thing seemed in pretty good shape, the bore looked good too, visible rifling, didn't look rusty.
I could probably pick this up, question is, should i?
If the price is right and the bore is in good shape I say buy the old girl!!!
Great looking riflemusket!!
- Location
- West coast of Vancouver Island
Model 1849 Austrian Kammerbuchse Rifled Musket. Issued to Northern and Southern troops during the ACW. This rifle was tested by the Army of Northern Virginia's sharpshooters, in the spring of 1864, and was found to be "fully equal in accuracy to the Springfield and Enfield up to 500 yards."
Are you sure it is a kammerbuchse? Unless I am mistaken, the "kammer" refers to a chamber as in the norwegian "kammerlader" which had a chamber which tipped up and permitted breach loading. Buchse is rifle in german.
cheers mooncoon
- Location
- West coast of Vancouver Island
MC, To the best of my knowledge it is a Kammerbuchse, but I may be wrong
i have no doubt that bore is closer to 3/4" diam than anything else, it was huge, when looking down it with the surefire i could see the bottom of the hole no prob and the rifling looked good/clean all the way down, was almost like looking down a gopher hole lol, although the end of the barrel showed some dings etc. i bet it would be a great shooter for those who could actually fire one of these up, i couldn't, looking down the hole sure hit home how simple they were and weird seeing something you couldn't access the other end of the barrel easily....it was light grey all the way down, thinking about how old it is and its condition i'm surprised now as i looked at guns another 50 years newer and way worse shape...anyhow, i wouldn't be surprised if the bore was over 3/4" diam a bit but its not anywhere near 1/2"-ish
if i get it i will break out the caliper and we can solve the mystery a little further...i'm leaning to the m1849 also, found some other pics of brazillian light minie on auction etc. and didn't look quite the same to me, granted was not easy to find anything on that but sure seems to match alot of the m1849 pictures i was able to find, i can see now that bore diam. will help
if i get it i will break out the caliper and we can solve the mystery a little further...i'm leaning to the m1849 also, found some other pics of brazillian light minie on auction etc. and didn't look quite the same to me, granted was not easy to find anything on that but sure seems to match alot of the m1849 pictures i was able to find, i can see now that bore diam. will help
Let's give credit to Steffenwolf for getting this one right.
I just wouldn't want to carry around 50 rounds of 71 Caliber Minne balls or Rd Balls for this thing in the battlefield.
For the shooters out there how much powder would you use in this beast?
Let's think about the damage this thing would do flesh and bones.
I just wouldn't want to carry around 50 rounds of 71 Caliber Minne balls or Rd Balls for this thing in the battlefield.
For the shooters out there how much powder would you use in this beast?
Let's think about the damage this thing would do flesh and bones.
