What the hell is a Black Rifle?
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Black Rifles
I suppose in a general sense a black rifle would be a modern military style rifle or civilianised versions of those. Ar15's, AR180's, Sig PE90's and many of the prohibs like Ak's, Augs, etc etc.,.. or what some people might coin "assault rifles" and similiar weapons. (Yeah.. I know.. true assault rifles are capable of full auto or 3 round burst fire)
I suppose in a general sense a black rifle would be a modern military style rifle or civilianised versions of those. Ar15's, AR180's, Sig PE90's and many of the prohibs like Ak's, Augs, etc etc.,.. or what some people might coin "assault rifles" and similiar weapons. (Yeah.. I know.. true assault rifles are capable of full auto or 3 round burst fire)
A green rifle is something like an HK G3, or the like. Rifles that the media calls "assault rifles", which in turn, causes the hated liberal government of this country to try and take them away from us because these "weapons" are definately ONLY for killing babies, the elderly and pregnant women
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-Rohann
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It is more of a political term than a mechanical or technical one.
It just means a non-traditional black (or dark green or desert camouflaged) rifle that looks good.
Prime examples:
HK SL8
Sig 550 (P90)
AR-15/10/180 and all variants
AK-47
FNC
etc... check 'em all out.
It just means a non-traditional black (or dark green or desert camouflaged) rifle that looks good.
Prime examples:
HK SL8
Sig 550 (P90)
AR-15/10/180 and all variants
AK-47
FNC
etc... check 'em all out.
BattleRife
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The story is usually told as follows:
Early in the US official involvement in Vietnam, say 1965, the first XM16E1 rifles were being handed out to ARVN troops. They were also deployed with some first line US forces, namely 173rd airborne and several different special forces groups. Most ARVN units were carrying wood-and-steel traditional rifles, mostly the M1 Garands and Carbines.
In this time frame, a commissioned officer with the NVA was captured or killed. Several of his papers were captured and sent off for translation. One of the translated papers was a general order, being broadcast to all regular infantry in the NVA reading something to the effect, "do not engage soldiers armed with the Black Rifle, it makes terrible wounds and causes great suffering".
The Americans who captured this message were quite tickled to know the enemy was so scared of their rifles, and the name has stuck, certainly for the M16 family, and by association, many other modern mouse guns.
The term "green rifle", I think comes about because some people who don't know the story behind the term "black rifle" take it very literally, and think, "hmm, my rifle isn't black, it's green", and modify the phrase to match their own gun.
Early in the US official involvement in Vietnam, say 1965, the first XM16E1 rifles were being handed out to ARVN troops. They were also deployed with some first line US forces, namely 173rd airborne and several different special forces groups. Most ARVN units were carrying wood-and-steel traditional rifles, mostly the M1 Garands and Carbines.
In this time frame, a commissioned officer with the NVA was captured or killed. Several of his papers were captured and sent off for translation. One of the translated papers was a general order, being broadcast to all regular infantry in the NVA reading something to the effect, "do not engage soldiers armed with the Black Rifle, it makes terrible wounds and causes great suffering".
The Americans who captured this message were quite tickled to know the enemy was so scared of their rifles, and the name has stuck, certainly for the M16 family, and by association, many other modern mouse guns.
The term "green rifle", I think comes about because some people who don't know the story behind the term "black rifle" take it very literally, and think, "hmm, my rifle isn't black, it's green", and modify the phrase to match their own gun.
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leftent said:
isn't the first actually the M1919A6?
sf said:
Are you sure, I can remember handling a "plastic" (stocked) L1A1 as a small boy (1972) at a local fair - there were huge jokes about me growing into it. The soldier showing it off was from 2 Para. (shows the impression these things have on kids I was 5 yrs old and was sure this guy was God)
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The first AR-15 rifles had green plastic furniture (we had several in our armory racks as late as 1970). The AR-15 (select-fire version) as issued was made by Armalite and deployed for trials in Vietnam in the late 1962, early 1963 time period.
When the plastic was changed from green to black is uncertain. However, it was black by the time that the semi-auto only rifle was sold to civilians by Colt's Firearms Mfg. (Armalite's licensee) as the AR-15 Sporter SP1 in 1964. I know, because I bought one of the SP1 rifles. The retail cost of the SP1 was $189.50.
When the plastic was changed from green to black is uncertain. However, it was black by the time that the semi-auto only rifle was sold to civilians by Colt's Firearms Mfg. (Armalite's licensee) as the AR-15 Sporter SP1 in 1964. I know, because I bought one of the SP1 rifles. The retail cost of the SP1 was $189.50.
