What to look for/expect when buying a K31?

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Hello folks!

Tossing around the idea of getting a K31 in the near future, perhaps as a Christmas present to myself. I'm out of my element with this particular firearm and was wondering what info the great milsurp gurus could offer a prospective buyer?

How available is the ammo? Long lasting surplus supply? Or stock up now while you can?

Best dealers to buy from? Certain years better than others? Quirks of the rifle?

How hard is it to find period correct accessories? (bayo, sling, stripper clips, ammo pouches, etc)

What kind of accuracy these things normally have? (I realize it is a milsurp, have no notion of sub MOA groups with surplus ammo)

Any info would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks!

Bill
 
I'm new to these as well, and I've not shot my k31 yet***.

I can't answer many of your questions, but I will say that Swiss chargers are uncommon. You can use Mosin Nagant ones, however. When I buy M-N clips there are always some that are too tight to really work with the Russian ammo. Those I mark and use exclusively for 7.5 Swiss. They aren't held in there mechanically firm, being a rimless cartridge in a clip meant for rimmed, but they work for charging the rifle.

I reload, and Tradeex stocks the brass. Bought my rifle from them too, but at the time they had just come in and no one else was stocking yet. Mine is shiny inside, and well worn outside, and I believe it has a walnut stock, being of either 1940 or 41 manufacture when I looked up the serial.

Libertytreecollectors.com sells a number of parts and accessories. I buy mainly slings from them, and a few odds n ends for small parts.

***I'm being bloody minded about getting my K11 to shoot before I will even think of touching the K31
 
I had good luck with Tradex. I reload for mine, never fired any of the ball available yet for comparison, but get 1-1.5in groups with the standard sights.
 
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The Swiss K-31 rifles are well known for their accuracy and many will shoot in the one inch range with standard GP-11 ammunition. Trade-Ex sells reloadable brass and you can use standard .308 diameter bullets in the 150 to 180 grain range for good results. It is not a hard cartridge to reload.

There is a very slight difference in chambers of the K-31 and the previous Swiss rifles, so some of the makers of reloading dies make TWO different sets, one of these specific to the K-31 rifles. The K-31 was designed to use GP-11 ammunition, a spitzer pointed type of bullet, so the start of the rifling (leade) in the K-31 is a bit shorter than the K-11 or other Swiss rifles. This is all right, as it seems to contribute to accuracy as the bullet does not have to "jump" so far to engage the rifling, but the round nosed bullets have to be seated a bit deeper if you use them.

GP-11 ammunition is available, but you have to put a bit of effort into it to look for it. It is reloadable, but not as easy to reload as Boxer primed cases from Trade-ex. Being out West and a couple of hundred miles from Winnipeg, reloading components tend to be not as readily available, but a couple of hundred cases and a set of LEE dies keeps my Swiss rifles shooting. Stripper clips seem to be a bit scarce and a bit expensive but the rifle is easy to load with cartridges pushed down into the magazine from the top. Not really a handicap except if you are shooting some rapid fire military matches.

I would imagine that Swiss GP-11 ammunition will dry up in the future and become scarce so I would advise reloading right from the start.
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Basically, the K31 falls into two distinct eras - pre-1944 and post-1944. MOST, but not all pre'44 have a walnut stock. MOST post-44 have a beechwood stock. Because of the Swiss cleaning regime of using GREASE and not OIL [see the gazillions of posts on this subject, some ongoing right now] most K31 will have a bore that looks unfired. This is due not only to the method of cleaning, but also to the very high quality of the material used in the barrels.

Because many Swiss troops wore boot crampons, even while carrying out rifle drill, many K31 will have damaged ends to the buttstock - the Swiss also stacked their K31 in triangular 'piles' - that's what that funny-lookin' hookey thing is for underneath the muzzle - in the snow, and it snows a LOT in Switzerland. The damage can be healed to a certain extent, but at least you'll know when you look down that bore that the bit that matters, mattered.

One point to look for - SOME of the K31 made in 1944 had a reduced-quality steel used in the manufacture of the operating rod, that are somewhat prone to breaking off the little lug that engages in the cam track on the bolt. Replacements are available ror around $35-40, so check yours out for date by looking at Swissrifles.com.

BTW, not only the K31 shoots GP11, but every K11, G11 too - it was designed for them and they were modifed for it.

Graf and Prvi Partizan supply brass, in fact, the Graf stuff is made by PPU. It is Boxer-primed and very long-lasting. I have five hundred such cases in circulation, since I only need a hundred ata time, and they've lasted me for years. PPU also make a 174gr .308" bullet which is OK for plinking, and all the other bullet makers have a similar bullet in their sales list. Beware, though, that the original bullet was far ahead of its time, and you will rarely, if ever, make a load as good - Lord knows I've been trying for years without success.

Swiss Products in Montana [mornin', Lat] make a range of useful accessories - a clamp-on no-drill scope mount, a clamp-on muzzle brake, a clamp-on OR screw-on barrel harmoniser, a no-drill bipod mount and a set of exquisite diopter sights. I think that Trade-ex is the Canadian dealer, but Carlos here can put me right on that score.

If you join the rest of us over on www.swissrifles.com, you'll be joining the very best Swiss shooting site on the internet, with thousands of pages of information, history, lore and advice on all kinds of Swiss firearms, military and otherwise. One of the most interesting facets of our Swiss guns is the necessity for the soldier to put his military details and home address on a plasticised paper tag, located under the butt-plate. Many owners have traced the previous owners or their relatives, and some great correspondence has resulted over the years. Again it is here that swissrifles.com is your friend, as we have a set of downloadable letters in the tree common languages for you to fill out and mail off.

tac

PS - note that the GP11 round has a performance about 90% of a .30-06 - kicks the same, too. That 174gr bullet is making around 2650fps or thereabouts, so taking game that you would normally use any .308Win or .30-06 - with a suitable hunting bullet - is entirely practical.
 
Reload with .308 projectiles. I haven't got dies yet but have been having great luck with PRVI factory loads. 3.5" five shot groups at 200 yards with military sights. People are telling me the GP11 is even better. Can't wait to get my hands on some.
 
By the way, mine is an early walnut version. It's quite possibly my new favorite rifle and I'm looking for a beech stocked model to add to the collection. Just gotta clean out the gun closet a little first. Anyone want an SMLE action?
 
If you're planning on reloading, I recommend Redding dies for the K-31 (lots on this in the swiss rifle forum). But if I were to do it all over again after having both the K-11 and K-31, I would skip reloading and buy a few 480-rnd crates of GP-11 ammo, which is essentially match grade, and plink away (unless you want to hunt with it, in which case it uses any .308 bullet). As for what to look for when buying one: in a nutshell, get a rifle with all matching parts and a pristine bore (not hard to find).
 
Wow! Never seen a crate of GP11 here in yUK. The sole importer here [nameless] keeps hiking the price of the stuff he DOES have [1978] to the point where he must be taking it for a ride to Bisley and then taking it home again. For me at least, $1.23 per shot is WAAAAY outside my comfort zone.

tac
 
Everyone should remember that the Swiss were making accurate GP11 ammo for 112 years WITHOUT Redding dies.
Nice to have, but not a nesscessity. I have Lee, RCBS and Hornady in 7.5x55 Schmidt Rubin and do not feel I need the K31 specific setup.
 
Because many Swiss troops wore boot crampons, even while carrying out rifle drill, many K31 will have damaged ends to the buttstock - the Swiss also stacked their K31 in triangular 'piles' - that's what that funny-lookin' hookey thing is for underneath the muzzle - in the snow, and it snows a LOT in Switzerland. The damage can be healed to a certain extent, but at least you'll know when you look down that bore that the bit that matters, mattered.


Explains why mine looks like it has some water damage in the butt area. ;)

Grizz
 
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