They're young and still have imagination and dreams, don't know what the hurry is to piss on it. They have a lifetime to become miserable old curmudgeons. Offer help and advice but that doesn't need to include embarrassing them. They will soon be humbled enough on their own. Another thing if you think you can't shot 1500 yes, you never will, thinking and wanting it isn't enough to make it happen but it is a step.
What to tell a young guy bent on believing he will be shooting 1500yards right away?
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Parker-Hale Mike
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Talking to Fozzy he says Rohann is now shooting longbow archery. Recyclable projectile
There are only 2 things that stop a new shooter from hitting a 1000y target.
- no range with that distance
- reading CGN and believing it.
If you actually want to buy your own rifle and do it, congrats your 90% there all ready. Finish the other 10% by buying good ammo.
Ya getting a 1moa grouping at 1000 is tuff but actually hitting even a 36" target is not. Yes not every round may connect but a new shooter can do it if someone sets the correct dope for 1000 on there scope. If you have shot that far or further you will agree.
If not .... Well that's why half you believe u can't.. Because you have never tried.
- no range with that distance
- reading CGN and believing it.
If you actually want to buy your own rifle and do it, congrats your 90% there all ready. Finish the other 10% by buying good ammo.
Ya getting a 1moa grouping at 1000 is tuff but actually hitting even a 36" target is not. Yes not every round may connect but a new shooter can do it if someone sets the correct dope for 1000 on there scope. If you have shot that far or further you will agree.
If not .... Well that's why half you believe u can't.. Because you have never tried.
Jordan Smith
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I'm guessing a $3,500 rifle and 500 yards turned into a $35,000 rifle and 1700 yards somewhere in the translation...
BigUglyMan
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Everyone that is encouraging the OP to act like a #### should be ashamed of themselves. Kids say and do stupid things and if you don't remember doing the same thing then you're probably still young and saying/doing stupid things. Let them talk, encourage them to get out and shoot and only give advice when they come looking.
Our job is to encourage the next generation of shooters, not act like high-and-mighty-know-it-all pricks.
Our job is to encourage the next generation of shooters, not act like high-and-mighty-know-it-all pricks.
Chinbullco
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I can't believe all the negative comments. The next generation of shooters will be even wimpier then this generation. The kids have a dream and the OP has too much attitude.
Polar Man
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Looking forward to the first range report, reactive targets and a semi .22 will get some wind back in their sails and on the right track after they fail miserably at 2 and 300 yards.
Try explaining it's a precision sport and you have to crawl before you can sprint with the elite few shooting those distances. Show them pics of top shooters and how long they have been shooting to be as good as that, the gear is only one part of the equation, the shooter needs skill. Eventually it will sink in and hopefully they keep at it.
OP is handling this properly, I think. Say your nephew wanted to be a race car driver, do you think he should sell his organs to buy a formula one racecar?
Fundamentals come first in any sport, these kids are well on their way to discouragement and right back in front of the XBOX.
Try explaining it's a precision sport and you have to crawl before you can sprint with the elite few shooting those distances. Show them pics of top shooters and how long they have been shooting to be as good as that, the gear is only one part of the equation, the shooter needs skill. Eventually it will sink in and hopefully they keep at it.
OP is handling this properly, I think. Say your nephew wanted to be a race car driver, do you think he should sell his organs to buy a formula one racecar?
Fundamentals come first in any sport, these kids are well on their way to discouragement and right back in front of the XBOX.
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WestIslandRifle
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My cousin thought the same thing with his 22 and a couple smacks in the back of the head kinda helped
Chinbullco
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How do you turn the kids away from shooting, no problem you've already mastered that. I would take them to a range where steel targets are hung to 500 meters and let nature take its course. I have seen fairly new shooters hit targets at one mile, across an open cultivated field. Walk your shots from 100, 200, 300 and so on. Its a blast for new shooters to accomplish this. Comparing this to putting an inexperienced kid into an F1 car is dumb. I have given a few inexperienced shooters the chance to fire my rifles at 500 meter steel, not offhand but set up in bags and zeroed at that range and the look on their faces when they hit the target is shear joy. Long range shooting ambitions should not be reworded with handing the kid a POS 22 rim fire, give him a match grade rifle, show him how to set it up, and both the shooter and the mentor will have a blast.
At fifteen years old, you learn more from falling off the horse, and getting back on, then you learn from the best coach trying to help keep you from falling.
Their is value in learning about saving money and spending appropriately, by wasteing money on toys you dont need, in learning about bending the truth in telling stories to your peers, in that there is emptieness in not being truthful to yourself, and in listening to what others share when you are out done by the wiser, more humble and more experienced, but with the energy & ambition of a teenage boy I would not expect them to display these values yet.
Some people dont learn these lessons in a lifetime, let alone by age 20. Let them learn from doing things the hard way, often we learn alot more that way, then being given all the answers up front.
Their is value in learning about saving money and spending appropriately, by wasteing money on toys you dont need, in learning about bending the truth in telling stories to your peers, in that there is emptieness in not being truthful to yourself, and in listening to what others share when you are out done by the wiser, more humble and more experienced, but with the energy & ambition of a teenage boy I would not expect them to display these values yet.
Some people dont learn these lessons in a lifetime, let alone by age 20. Let them learn from doing things the hard way, often we learn alot more that way, then being given all the answers up front.
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very challenging shots at those distances I shoot mostly 22 and all my target rifles are 22lr the other calibers I have a hunting only and I would never dream of shooting those distances with them and ive been shooting a lot I finally ordered a custom long range rifle but paid my dues ive shot 140 000 22lr rounds working on technique before I decided it would be worth spending the money on better longer performing rounds and yeah shrink targets I shoot at 1/4inch bulls at 25 and 1 at 100 witch is very challenging with a 22lr take them out have them shoot and cream them then ask them if they want to be able to one day and train them the best advice I ever got that I often need to remind myself is that even when old fashioned the old guys know what they are talking about and often have good advice the savage 22 tactical looking 22s are capable of 2.5 inch groups at 200 when the driver is very very good I didn't think it was possible but saw it it isn't 35000$ worth of gun that will make you good its 1000$ worth of gun and glass and 35000$ worth of ammo that will make you amazing buy tell them to shoot a brick a week and they will get there faster than you think if they stick to it and take it seriously
sorry to drag on and on I just went through this with some buds that laugh at me for shooting little kid guns (22s) but wonder why I out shoot them its cuz I could afford to shoot 50 000 rounds last year and they shot 3500ish at most of their 308s
sorry to drag on and on I just went through this with some buds that laugh at me for shooting little kid guns (22s) but wonder why I out shoot them its cuz I could afford to shoot 50 000 rounds last year and they shot 3500ish at most of their 308s
my advice, get them in touch with people like shibby! or mystic (as he shoots and builds, and is kinda the guru here for that from what i glean from reading this forum), encourage them and mentor them. they don't necessarily need to start with a 22lr, but they also don't have to go out and buy a 20mm anti tank rifle.
also get them to watch the road to precision videos in the sticky on the site, blew me away and taught me quite a bit. i agree that being holier than thou is a bad idea, but also show them the video on the Remington website about the history of the m40 or m24 rifle, (i can't remember which).
there's also this program h t t p ://www.shooterready.com/lrsdemo.html, this will show them how the scopes work, and that it's not easy to make long range shots, and it's like a video game too...
I thought i'd start shooting 1000m without problems, i shoot fairly well at 200m and when i tried zeroing my rifle at 300m i learned a very important lesson, both about gear and ability. get them to make a realistic list of equipment they want/need so they have something to strive for, like rifle, glass, bipod, rings and base, stock, eis...
encourage, and mentor, as i'm sure others on this site will/could do if they're serious about it. I know when i was 15 giving me the tools to accomplish my task was make or break time, ie) i no longer skateboard, but i have 8 guitars...
also get them to watch the road to precision videos in the sticky on the site, blew me away and taught me quite a bit. i agree that being holier than thou is a bad idea, but also show them the video on the Remington website about the history of the m40 or m24 rifle, (i can't remember which).
there's also this program h t t p ://www.shooterready.com/lrsdemo.html, this will show them how the scopes work, and that it's not easy to make long range shots, and it's like a video game too...
I thought i'd start shooting 1000m without problems, i shoot fairly well at 200m and when i tried zeroing my rifle at 300m i learned a very important lesson, both about gear and ability. get them to make a realistic list of equipment they want/need so they have something to strive for, like rifle, glass, bipod, rings and base, stock, eis...
encourage, and mentor, as i'm sure others on this site will/could do if they're serious about it. I know when i was 15 giving me the tools to accomplish my task was make or break time, ie) i no longer skateboard, but i have 8 guitars...
Whoa... Hold your horses..
I just enjoy shooting. By no means expert, advanced, or experienced.
Long range isn't hard. There is definite skill to reading wind and atmospheric conditions, but the physics behind it is just that. It's a science and easily learned. Limiting variables is the key, then learning the variables as best you can is the goal. Tools can only take you so far before it's the person pulling the trigger makes the difference.
For reference, we often use weather stations but the information they give in the areas we shoot are nearly useless. They help with temp and pressure, but that's about it. The wind is rarely the same where we shoot to where the projectile ends up. Much of the time it's actually in the opposite direction. I don't know how, or why, but it is. Shooting in the foothills poses plenty of problems after about 600 yards.
Oh yea. I also get to shoot with guys that have a lot more money than me and play with all their fancy toys and very expensive custom guns.
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You know what you're doing shooting long range, more than us that are new to to it anyway. helping with learning the physics, and with gear selection, and I hear what you're talking about with the weather stations, that's what I do for a living here in cold lake.
You know what you're doing shooting long range, more than us that are new to to it anyway. helping with learning the physics, and with gear selection, and I hear what you're talking about with the weather stations, that's what I do for a living here in cold lake.
I'm sure the lake itself makes it a bit of a micro climate.
Not saying you, but in general it seems people who don't get many opportunities to shoot long range fear it to some degree or think it's super technical. With a buddy spotting your shots a lot can be learned quickly. It's good fun but I'll admit some days I leave frustrated.
Knowing or finding out your distance is the first hurdle. Then reading atmospheric conditions is your second. After that it's precision, repeatability, and first round hits. All adds up to lots of trigger time! At the moment I'm working on my ballistic calculator. Some days it puts me within a foot or two (or even a resounding gong hit), others I'm searching out multiple MOA adjustments/holdovers. I had hoped the weather station would help, but so far I've yet to confirm that. Even a field would be great. Those options aren't available to us here.
A lot of people spend a huge amount of time on the 100yard line. That's fine. I love doing it too and working on loads but plenty of factory guns can shoot long range easily. Most rem 700's have potential to shoot .75MOA or better out of the box. I've seen lots of .25-.5 MOA 5 shot groups out of a 5R (most of which not mine.. haha). I know it's me and not the gun though. Their plenty accurate to stretch their legs.
If I ever get up in your neck of the woods I'll attempt to let you know. I go up to visit family once and awhile and would love to find a good shooting location not too far from my parents cabin. Shooting across a small lake (which I think is legal...) would be amazing. I need to look into that...
