What type of bipod do you prefer, and why

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Hi all

I am wondering, what type of bipod are you using for f-class prone shooting, and why ? Basically, I want to compare the pro and cons of the Harris-type bipod, that you have to "load" and the fixed-type bipod (mpod and the like), that permits the rifle to slide in a straight line.

I did a search, turns out there was excellent review of particular products, but I want this discussion to debate fixed vs folding-leg type.


Thanks
 
I look forward to the input on this topic.
Seb recently adapted the co-ax system to bi-pods and I think the initial tests and reviews are showing good promise for it, so it will be interesting to see how that goes.
 
I like the harris , cheap , light , work well ... ive personally shot of my Harris and my backpack out to 1150yards... nice and stable

There are some far better bipods out there ... but you will pay
 
What's the advantage of one with fixed legs and skids? I'd like to try one and see how I like it compared to one that you get the feet to grab and load it with shoulder pressure.
 
I have used a Harris-S with PodClaws and PodLock, a 2nd Generation Sinclair F-TR, and I have just purchased a Star Shooter CF-LWSS.

I found that I got more consistent tracking using the fixed leg pods and I think more consistent shoulder pressure. My groups/scores improved noticeably when I switched from the Harris to the Sinclair. What I didn't like about the Sinclair was no markings for leg height adjustment (they fixed this), no elevation adjustment (fixed this too), and a little heavier than I would like (also addressed somewhat on 3rd Gen). I have not had an opportunity to shoot my new Star Shooter bipod but I am amazed by how solid it feels versus how light it is (1 lb 8 oz). The cant and height adjustments are within easy reach when prone, and the elevation wheel works very well. The Star Shooter bipod is certainly more expensive than the other 2 options, but is consistent with other offerings in it's class and when you see the machining you can understand why. I like that it is far lighter than the Rempel and doesn't exhibit any of the flex/bounce that the Centershot is sometimes criticized for; plus it's made in Canada!

I have not had the pleasure of shooting one of Mystic Precision's Mpods, but it felt very well built when I had a chance to look one over. If I was close to the weight limit I would absolutely be giving Jerry a call.
 
I have used a Harris-S with PodClaws and PodLock, a 2nd Generation Sinclair F-TR, and I have just purchased a Star Shooter CF-LWSS.

I found that I got more consistent tracking using the fixed leg pods and I think more consistent shoulder pressure. My groups/scores improved noticeably when I switched from the Harris to the Sinclair. What I didn't like about the Sinclair was no markings for leg height adjustment (they fixed this), no elevation adjustment (fixed this too), and a little heavier than I would like (also addressed somewhat on 3rd Gen). I have not had an opportunity to shoot my new Star Shooter bipod but I am amazed by how solid it feels versus how light it is (1 lb 8 oz). The cant and height adjustments are within easy reach when prone, and the elevation wheel works very well. The Star Shooter bipod is certainly more expensive than the other 2 options, but is consistent with other offerings in it's class and when you see the machining you can understand why. I like that it is far lighter than the Rempel and doesn't exhibit any of the flex/bounce that the Centershot is sometimes criticized for; plus it's made in Canada!

I have not had the pleasure of shooting one of Mystic Precision's Mpods, but it felt very well built when I had a chance to look one over. If I was close to the weight limit I would absolutely be giving Jerry a call.

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I think your going to like your new Star Shooter Bi-pod I have shot with Sinclairs 1 & 2 Gen bi-pods and like the Star Shooter best, another very very well made is the Remple but weight
is a concern 1.4 kg.
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I've gone from a plain Harris S to a Sinclair Gen 1, to gen 2, to a Centershot. My biggest gripe with the first three is height adjustment. I want to get myself into position and stay there, and to me, that means not making big adjustments at the butt of the gun with the rear bag. Having to use two hands in the middle of a string to correct a height adjustment is a deal breaker for me. I look forward to checking out the Star Shooter this summer, but for now, the Centershot is working very well.

Of course, there is a learning curve for whatever you choose, pick one, and shoot it for a season.
 
I am using one of Jerry's Mpods (Mystic Precision). Very light and easy to set up. Extremely stable and tracks straight back. Breaks down into 3 easy to store and carry pieces. Very reasonable as far as pricing and it is a Canadian made product from a board sponsor.
 
Can someone elaborate on the difference between a bipod that slides back on skids, and one that has pointy feet you load forward? What are the pro's and con's?
 
Can someone elaborate on the difference between a bipod that slides back on skids, and one that has pointy feet you load forward? What are the pro's and con's?

Not so short answer. First you need to decide what/how you are shooting AND just as importantly, how you will transport the rifle.

The big claim to fame of foldy bipods like the Harris is the ability to keep a field ready rest on the rifle at all times BUT not have a issue with packing in a case, back pack, etc. Portability was the primary goal.

But because it folds, it can wiggle. For its orig intent, that was plenty good enough and has been successfully used for decades by a HUGE number of shooters.

Now we get to F TR where you are trying to hit a clay pigeon at 1000yds on demand in as many as 22 rds. That demands a much higher level of consistency, repeatability and precision. It was quickly found that foldy pods just aren't that easy to use for the average shooter over long strings of fire and over many many rds in competition. It adds another layer that needs to be controlled by the shooter.

Yes, there are a handful of shooters that continue to compete well with the Harris, but the vast majority have found "rigid" pods a much better solution.

So the rigid or skipods, like the Remple and MPOD, are designed to lock up solid during the firing process.... similar to a pedestal rest used in Benchrest. They allow the recoil follow through to be extremely consistent and repeatable. Some shooters even shoot their rifles free recoil cause it is that stable and can be set up to track that consistently.

BUT they are rigid so in order to stop the rifle and/or pod to tear itself apart under recoil, the feet are designed to slide. That recoil energy has to go somewhere.

We found the sliding feet, as long as it is consistent, lowers vertical dispersion and outstanding shooting can be done at distance. So good, some F Open shooters still shoot with a skipod over the pedestal rest.

Anytime a bipod is dug into the ground, you create a variable. how secure is that contact? How long will that last?

As you can imagine, shooting 22rds of a heavy loaded 308 out of an 18lbs rifle is going to put alot of strain on those anchors. If the surface is soft enough to put anchors in my hand, it is most certainly soft enough to move under recoil. The problem then is the lack of consistency as ground is far from consistent and gets worst as it crumbles. It was a path that did not lead to any real success so was passed over years ago. Never seen it used in competition although I hear some shooters still use it. Mostly a way to reduce recoil and that it could have some benefit.

So decide on how you plan to use the rifle and what your accuracy goals are. I know of LR hunters that will carry my MPOD in their backpacks into where they hunt, set up, and know they have a superb and stable rest to use when the need arises. The Harris would be functionally easier to carry BUT offers less stability during the firing process. They both weigh the same

If the target is big enough, it wouldn't matter either way.


Ultimately, this is what a rigid ski pod can do for you. 500m. 223/90 my last years FTR rifle. Fast forward through to see the impacts as I uploaded in real time... kinda slow as is. It would need a very very skilled shooter to replicate using a Harris. I can't do it.

Jerry

PS when I travel by air, my MPOD come apart into a package with a smaller footprint then a Harris S 6-9 bipod. Only takes a few minutes to put it back together onsite.
 
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Sorry Jerry I cannot back you up on increasing the variable when you stick it into the ground. If you have ever shot next to Jim Thompson that theory would go out the window real quick.

I have tested these bipods against my Sinclair rest on a number of occasions and found group size to be identical with one exception. I actually found the Sinclair rest to be more susceptible to an iffy setup than my stabbed in the ground bipod. The Sinclair tripod rest is great, that's why all bench rest guys use them but they require the right type of forend to get full value out of it.

I do believe the ski type bipods are worth a good look, but it absolutely must have no play whatsoever in the mechanism. Many of that type are adjustable with a series of pivots that introduce a wiggle. If you select the correct model it will have locks at every pivot point to keep it out.

Stability is the key.

These recoil absorbing bipods were designed specifically to eliminate that play in the leg pivots. The pivots are tricked out so there is zero play to begin with but in addition, the tension on the rope takes out any play and keeps it out.

These are not loaded by pressing forward on the legs - quite the opposite... I pull rearward until I can just feel the tension develop against the rope, then aim and shoot. When I shoot, my shoulder is not into the rifle at all, it's about 1/2 inch behind, but I do cheek firmly taking great care to ensure the rear rest is well behind my check. All recoil is transferred to the ground exactly the same every time.

I pull rearward on the rifle to create tension on the rope to create a slight down force on the rifle. This prevents muzzle jump.

The length of the rope is adjusted to idealize the pivot angle on the bipod legs. If the feet are too far to the rear, the muzzle will climb during recoil. If the feet are too far forward the muzzle will drop under recoil. You can visually see when you have the string length right when the rifle tracks perfectly rearward and the scope reticle stays on target during the full recoil. When you get this right, you will be able to watch your own bullets fly to the target.

I’ve never heard of anyone but myself who uses recoil absorbing bipods. I got enough plaques and medals to prove this does not hurt your accuracy. I shot a 50/9 on the 1/2 moa v-bull target at the ORA annual match last year at 300 yards shooting my 308 tube gun using a similar setup, but with a lower center of gravity. On the 50/9 I converted a 5 from my first sighter and a V from my second. I have never heard of a perfect 50/10 on the 1/2 moa ICFRA target, but I would like to meet any guy who did it in a squadded match.

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That's an interesting front rest, first time I see that. I didn't know it was allowed to have spikes in the ground for competition.
 
I guess you have not shot on a rocky berm or the slag heap you will find at Raton, NM?

Quite a few open shooters bring mallets for their pedestal rests in order to get the feet into the "ground". I guess once pounded in, it should be solid?

Also, assume you guys don't really worry about the 1/2" spike rule?

Congrats on some great shooting.

You can check with the Kamloops scores but someone got a 75-15V last season at 300m. Pretty sure it was a 6BR on Open. Guns are getting too freaking accurate... but that is a good thing.

There have been 75 - high v counts at 900m at Homestead too. Some real good shooting happening nowadays.

A common complaint with the MPOD is why there isn't a whole bunch of adjustment knobs. You hit the nail on the head - if it can move, it will move and to stop it moving, you need more weight for clamps and levers. Then it might still move given the recoil of the rifle and as the hinges wear..

Its always a compromise....

Jerry
 
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