killer1963daddy
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1911, single stack g.i. ,awsome gun! dont let the anti norc tards bother you, they fall into two categories..ignorant, and stupid!...ignorance can be cured, stupidity cant!
what type of handgun is the best in the Norinco ?
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Pudelpointer
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You might actually want to try holding one before you waste you time mis-informing people about them. This way it just looks like you taught your ass to speak.
I did. It said "Norinco".
In all seriousness, if that is THE ONLY FIREARM YOU CAN AFFORD, then it is better than nothing (but only slightly better).
I have handled my share of Norcs, and the fit and finish leaves a lot to be desired. Most are functional out of the box, but some are not.
When it comes to China, westerners (Canadians, Americans, Europeans less so) cry freedom, human rights, moral authority; all the while we turn a blind eye to Chinese corporate crime, government espionage, slave labour, child labour, environmental pollution, ad nauseum....... as long as we have cheap s**t to buy!
We have almost ZERO firearms industry in this country; why is that? (I know about domestic government issues) The US firearms industry is in fairly healthy shape, likely in part because firearms are one of the few things they don't allow from China. Do you think Ruger would be as economically viable if Norinco was importable in the US?
China can suck it. I don't want any more of their crap in my house then there is already (it is hard to be 100% China-free, it is a lot like buying organic food: some stuff you just can't get).
ETA: Norc fans all say "you just need to do a little polishing and it will shoot great!". Well, my son in law has a saying when he gets s**t websites to manage: "No matter how hard you try, you can't polish a turd."
I have to agree.
Pudelpointer
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Holy s**t that was funny. Awesome response!
However, being scientific for a moment, they basically started over with the base elements of a turd by crushing it. IF we took a Norinco and crushed it back to dust and then recast (or better yet machined) all the required pieces, I am sure we could make one highly "polished" pistol (or turd, as the case may be).
To be fair, I never impugned Norinco's steel formula, only their manufacturing (stamping, forging, machining, polishing).
Hell, I am still laughing at that video....
Been happy with my NP-22 ( sig 226 clone ). Everyone who has just held it or shot it had nothing but praise for it, especially the price. Ignore people who bash Norinco products. The finish is not as good as a Sig but its pretty good. I'm not one to take small details into account as far as finish goes because for me the gun is a tool and not a fashion statement. Mine has always gone bang and never had a problem. Buy one and spend the leftover money on ammo and beer.
all i can add to the discussion is that's kind of funny how many americans SELECT the norc 1911 as a BASE when building a custom gun- these guys have the option of selecting any frame you wish to name, and yet they still go with the chinese- and the ONLY criticism i have seen is that the SLIDE is TOO HARD, and a b*tch to work on
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I like mine. No fail to feed/fail to fire/fail to eject at all. And the trigger isn't bad, it really is close enough to my P226 Classic that I can't tell the difference. <donning flame suit>
No, really.
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I have an np-22 and it's alright. However it is no where in any way shape or form comparable to a SIG P226.
Fit and finish aside, the double action is terrible. Shooting an NP22 single action is close. The gap widens when you try to shoot double action. I can honestly say I have never shot a pistol with such a heavy double action pull. It was over 12 pounds! Maybe I was unlucky and got a lemon I'm not sure, just my experience.
It does devour any type of ammo I throw at it, but I don't even bother shooting it in DA ever. But hey it's $350.
I like their 1911GI and I would not hesitate to buy one again given the right price.
Fit and finish aside, the double action is terrible. Shooting an NP22 single action is close. The gap widens when you try to shoot double action. I can honestly say I have never shot a pistol with such a heavy double action pull. It was over 12 pounds! Maybe I was unlucky and got a lemon I'm not sure, just my experience.
It does devour any type of ammo I throw at it, but I don't even bother shooting it in DA ever. But hey it's $350.
I like their 1911GI and I would not hesitate to buy one again given the right price.
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agree. terrible DA measured mine around 17lb!. a $4 main spring brought it down considerably. finish is meh, but who cares, its a shooter not a safe queen. the SA is pretty nice out of the box. it has not failed to shoot with any ammo I threw at it, bang every time.
the np-34 has a much better trigger right out of the box, both DA and SA.
I also finally shot a real sig 226, I really liked the E2 grip, the gun looked 10x better and trigger was nice
But about the heart of your statement, you are correct, we buy whatever we can get the most of, for the least. The disease of consumerism. Unfortunately, you have attached human traits, specifically to the chinese. Funny how that works, you can have the same conversation anywhere in the world, in any langauge, and it will sound the same. Much of the world see's the west as the home of drug abuse, rampant ####ography, prostitution, souless consumerism, and glorification of violence. If I had to agree with a countries politics, internally and internationally to purchase something, I would have to make everything myself.
norc 1911a1 commander
I bought this some years back for about 190 bucks. same issues a few springs later and new mags its good. whats really sad is i want a reason to replace it with a new 1911 gov't model but dang i shoot nice tight grouping with this thing.
I bought this some years back for about 190 bucks. same issues a few springs later and new mags its good. whats really sad is i want a reason to replace it with a new 1911 gov't model but dang i shoot nice tight grouping with this thing.
I just sold my two Norincos today....Too many pistols...I had the NP58 Sig clone in .40 and I really liked that gun...Nothing wrong with it at all...the Norinco .22 I wasn't fussy about it but it was a good little pistol...
I have had good performance out of the older Government style 1911s. I haven't had any of the more recent "tactical" models.
They have all required tuning but that is normal for 1911s under the $2000 level...
I have not got any personal experience with the CZ clones but I do recall Ken Hackathorn commenting that he thought the chinese CZ-75s were better than the Czech ones.
I tend not to trust Norinco small parts (although Gunnar of Armco said on here the other day that he's found the heat treat to be good on the 1911 parts, and he would know much better than I would) and I do not trust Norinco springs at all.
But I would take a lot of Norincos over any of the "budget" pistol options like Taurus etc.
And in 1911s, I would take a Norinco ahead of anything under about the $1000 level with the possible exception of the Ruger, which I believe is pretty good for a basic, entry 1911.
I would not bother with the Norinco Sig clone, simply because for not too much more money you can probably find a used 226, and have a really high quality pistol.
Where I think Norinco really shines is the 1911s, though, because a GOOD 1911 is huge money, and cheap 1911s are typically junk and mid-grade will still take a bunch of work to make them serious pistols. You put the same work in to a Norinco frame and slide, and you have a heavy-duty pistol at a mid-low price.
They have all required tuning but that is normal for 1911s under the $2000 level...
I have not got any personal experience with the CZ clones but I do recall Ken Hackathorn commenting that he thought the chinese CZ-75s were better than the Czech ones.
I tend not to trust Norinco small parts (although Gunnar of Armco said on here the other day that he's found the heat treat to be good on the 1911 parts, and he would know much better than I would) and I do not trust Norinco springs at all.
But I would take a lot of Norincos over any of the "budget" pistol options like Taurus etc.
And in 1911s, I would take a Norinco ahead of anything under about the $1000 level with the possible exception of the Ruger, which I believe is pretty good for a basic, entry 1911.
I would not bother with the Norinco Sig clone, simply because for not too much more money you can probably find a used 226, and have a really high quality pistol.
Where I think Norinco really shines is the 1911s, though, because a GOOD 1911 is huge money, and cheap 1911s are typically junk and mid-grade will still take a bunch of work to make them serious pistols. You put the same work in to a Norinco frame and slide, and you have a heavy-duty pistol at a mid-low price.
