what type of shot for skeet?

3macs1 said:
Dam Barney Hartman I have not heard that name since probally the early 70's.
28ga to start?? We only do that for ladies that are nervous of recoil and most of them switch to 12ga semi later on.
This new shooter doesn't reload, he can get wally mart 12ga for 23.99 /100
vs 63.99/100 for 28ga AAHS.
Cost to shoot is a huge factor also.
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Our 28's out here are even higher than that at times.
I hand load for my 28's for less that $4.00 a box, I would LOVE to buy a skid of ammo at that price!!:eek:
You have to go a long way to get better than Mr. Hartman IMO....
Cat
 
catnthehatt said:
Our 28's out here are even higher than that at times.
I hand load for my 28's for less that $4.00 a box, I would LOVE to buy a skid of ammo at that price!!:eek:
You have to go a long way to get better than Mr. Hartman IMO....
Cat
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That is only 4 boxes. They are 15.99 a box here or if lucky 139.00 a flat plus 15% tax of course. I reload all mine also for just around 4.00.
I was 12 and just starting shooting skeet when he was in his prime. If I recall correctly he started shooting on a farm with a 12ga;);)
 
3macs1 said:
Dam Barney Hartman I have not heard that name since probally the early 70's.
28ga to start?? We only do that for ladies that are nervous of recoil and most of them switch to 12ga semi later on.
This new shooter doesn't reload, he can get wally mart 12ga for 23.99 /100
vs 63.99/100 for 28ga AAHS.
Cost to shoot is a huge factor also.
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It is only in my ideal world that I suggested the 28 gauge. I know they cost more. We start newbies with the 12 almost as a default. Nearly everyone has one or can get one and for those who can only have one gun the 12 is the choice. The 12 gauge 2 3/4 inch. 2 3/4 dram eq. with 1 1/8 oz of shot is the most common target round on the shelf. While this round may be required for handicap trap it certainly is not needed to break skeet targets. It is not only ladies that are nervous of recoil but many of those non ladies are as well. Just too macho to let on and often their nervousness is supressed long enough to develope into a problematic flinch. It is not just ladies that benifit from being able to concentrate on shoooting without any fear of recoil. Sure the ladies switch to a 12 later on but as I mentioned before that is as a default. You have no problem shooting the 28 and shooting it in the open class? Gun down and with a pump! You say it is fun! I can assure you that it would not be fun if you were not hitting targets. There is nothing mystical here! You know what many do not know and that is that a 28 gauge pattern is more than enough for any target on a skeet range.

You said "That is the most important part is to have fun, the scores will happen with time. "
 
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Covey Ridge said:
It's probably all in my head, but I love 7/8 oz. 7 1/2.
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I couldn't agree more. I use it for all 3 setups. I can shoot all day long and not feel a thing. Keep in mind that since you have a pump a 2 3/4 dram will do, no need for a 3 dram until you move to a semi. Good luck! keep at it and though you will get frustrated listen to the old guys but don't be afaid to try it your way.
 
I should add that if what I have in my ammo bag is 71/2's I'm not worried about it.
Heck, if all I have loaded is 4's so be it!:)
I also don't worry about which chokes I have in the gun, because these days I use skeet to practice for hunting , I do not compete anyore.
If i'm worried about anything, it's my sight picture, simply because if it's not right, it doesn't matter what choke., shot size, or gauge you are using , it's a lost bird!:cool:
I also shoot gun down with 410's and 28's.
Cat
 
galbraith_14 said:
I couldn't agree more. I use it for all 3 setups. I can shoot all day long and not feel a thing. Keep in mind that since you have a pump a 2 3/4 dram will do, no need for a 3 dram until you move to a semi. Good luck! keep at it and though you will get frustrated listen to the old guys but don't be afaid to try it your way.
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Not to get too far off topic, but my 7/8 oz. loads work in my beretta autos as well! I get a double dose of low recoil:D

And what Cat says! I agree! Better to be paying attention to the bird than all that technical stuff:D
 
shot size for skeet

check the rules of the club you're shooting at, we're only allowed to shoot #9, CFO took care of that choice for us a couple of years ago.
 
gwagen said:
Check this out, a great article about Barney. i've had it saved on my old computer for a few years and I thought you guys might like to see it.

http://freepdfhosting.com/4b2906bcc5.pdf

Ok, new link don't use that other file factory link
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He was a master, no doubt about it, and didn't use the high end guns most do today.
I rememer a conversation he had with my father at one timetalking about how everybody used to used M12' and 58's and 1100's etc aand do well.
But in the new age ( then) to be comptetitive you need a skeet specific gun costing many timews more, but the scores hand't increades any great amount!:p
D.Lee Braun had a shoot off with him, but there was another shooter as well, but it wasn't in a big event.
it was pretty funny at the time.
Cat
 
catnthehatt said:
He was a master, no doubt about it, and didn't use the high end guns most do today.
I rememer a conversation he had with my father at one timetalking about how everybody used to used M12' and 58's and 1100's etc aand do well.
But in the new age ( then) to be comptetitive you need a skeet specific gun costing many timews more, but the scores hand't increades any great amount!:p
D.Lee Braun had a shoot off with him, but there was another shooter as well, but it wasn't in a big event.
it was pretty funny at the time.
Cat
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He was in his prime when I started shooting skeet.Most have never developed to shoot even close to as well as he did but almost all skeet shooters of that time followed the same road as far as form, preparation shotguns,etc..1100's were King but you had to go to a shoot with at least three of them since one for sure would break something before the day was over. How many pieces of that paper did we go through trying to get every pellet we could in the circle, playing with the choke or the loads. No 7/8 oz loads there but some pretty questionable 1 1/8 no.9;)
In the end just have fun and shoot as much as you can.
 
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I didn't have the privilege of shooting with Mr. Hartman so I read his book. The thing I remember most about it was his detailed analysis of shooting positions at each station. I couldn't get them all in my head and eventually followed Todd Bender's approach, which I haven't modified all that much, though Todd might not recognize it if he watched:D. I thought Mr. Hartman had common sense in his opinions about shotguns and in his approach to things. He prepared for each match for a few days before shooting too.
 
catnthehatt said:
D.Lee Braun had a shoot off with him, but there was another shooter as well, but it wasn't in a big event.
it was pretty funny at the time.
Cat
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D. Lee Braun! I read his book on skeet about 40 years ago. Nothing sunk in because I was more interested in trap. I wish I had a copy now. Does anyone have a copy for sale?
 
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