What was the reason behind specifically banning .25 and .32 calibre ammo?

[altagunguy]

What really ticks me off about this is that a handgun barrel in 25-06 is prohibited as is .32 ACP. The law does not say .25 and .32 plus or minus a couple hundred thou.

 

[667]

Easiest way to ban approx. half the legally owned/registered handguns in the country. This means in one generation maybe two the gov' will have eliminated half the HG's Canadians own.

 

[kjohn]

This discussion brings to mind the absolutely disgusting, chicken $hit ads they had with a supposed "Olympic shooter" touting the Lieberals great "safety" ideas. Made me want to puke! The elite bastards that consented to do those ads could have cared less about us. I hope they are happy with what the result of the firearms fiasco is. Old guys turning nice old guns into the police because they got a nice threatening letter. Makes me sick to think of the people who fell for this.

 

[HKMark23]

I was curious as to what the reason would be for doing this? .

Its a red herring. Their real agenda is to ban ALL guns. They'll do it issue by issue and gun by gun.

 

[Rudy H]

the pistols were banned because most of the .32's and .25's had the ability to be concealed in a persons pants pocket. I can put my .32 in the fron pocket of my jeans and its very hard to tell whats in there...

its a little harder to hide a 9mm, .40 or a .45

If being concealable was the only issue then .32's and .25's would have been prohibited due to their barrel length (which they also are). The reason for picking these guns was because they were considered to be Junk Guns, Saturday Night Specials, that were inappropriate for target shooting. These guns were designed for self protection and therefore of no use in Canada.


From an Access to Information request. Looking into the C-10A grandfathering problem in October 2005.

Parliament voted to prohibit these handguns when it passed the Firearms Act in 1995. These 12(6) guns were prohibited to limit access to easily concealable short barrelled handguns and cheap, poorly made pistols commonly known as "Saturday Night Specials".​

From the same Access to Information request. Document dated May 29, 1995.

For the most part prohibited handguns are small, cheap, poorly constructed, easily concealable

.25 calibre:
- short range
- self-defence
- calibre not considered powerful enough for target shooting
- not allowed by ISU rules
- very cheaply constructed guns/couldn't withstand wear and tear required of target shooting

.32 calibre: - Most of the same issues


Barrel length: 4" generally considered the cut-off point for accurate barrels suitable for target shooting vs self-defence guns.

- Wanted to clearly include 4" length (between 101-102 mm). 105 mm is slightly bigger to avoid confusion around exact barrel measurements - manufacturers tolerance on barrels can run +- mm or 2.

- Few guns manufactured between 4 and 4 1/2" barrel. Easier figure to administer, exceptional target shooting gun could be exempt via the proposal to prescribe firearms for high performance competition shooting. No firearm list supplied by Shooting Federation of Canada to date.

- Measuring total length of a firearm does not take into account of the suitability of the firearm for target shooting. It only deals with the concealability factor - an element in crime control.​

 

[hoochie]

uhh ya ok.
So why did the Smith&Wessons the RCMP and sheriffs use fall into this catagory?

And I must agree.. my .32 ACP is a total piece of crap.

however; I still think the legislation is flawed. People have no problems shooting 4" barrels. They prohibited the importation of short barelled firearms. If they wanted to get rid of old ones.. then fine. I would trade my .32ACP for a Glock 19 in a second.
And telling us that short barelled firearms are inaccurate ( when talking about handguns) this is poppycock.

If they wanted to have all the old "unsafe guns" taken away.. then the 12(6) legislation has created another liberal catch 22.

By creating a legislation that prohibits the importation of modern firearms, the legislation then is essence creates a situation where people are stuck with old firearms they cannot upgrade. It will come full circle in a few more years.. you'll see.

and BTW:
The part they discuss the barell length of +/- mm in target VS defensive pistols....
My wife has a P99 and shoots way tighter than my Glock. ( 3.5 Gen). The P99 is 106mm, and the Glock is 114mm. The Wlather is far more accurate than a Glock. So their +/- mm talk is blowing smoke.

And last but not least... these were all on the restricted list anyway. Law abiding people who own these firearms take them to the range. There was no need to sit around the table and discuss further limitations to something already restircted. It is a situation where they imposed a "solution" to the wrong problem. The problem lays with criminals, not law abiding range going target shooters and collectors. Instead of increasing the penalties to an offender, they increased the restrictions on the good guy.

If I drive my Chevy truck really fast and like an idiot.. should there be legislation preventing others from driving Chevy trucks? NO? why not?.. cause it doesnt make sense.. does it?

we are beating a dead horse.....

 

[Rudy H]

Remember that their real goal was to get rid of as many guns as possible. The information I provided above was their reasons to justify making these prohibited. Why would they want you to exchange your crappy 32 for a better gun? Remember that they want to get rid of ALL your guns.

 

[eh class]

the police forces were in the process of converting (some had already and others were in the process) over to the autos,I think that they didn't want all them 4" revolvers out in the publics hands therefore set the limit at 105mm.It's just my opinion but why else would you prohibit a revolver that is bigger overall than most 4.5" autos?I don't buy the 4" accuracy thing that's for sure.

 

[Suputin]

Why were "nunchuks" banned? Because someone felt something had to be done. The "imperative to do something" usually trumps the "imperative to do something correct".

The ban on Nunchuks is simply silly cause unless you spend a lot of time practicing with them you are more likely to hurt yourself with them than anyone else.

I have a set of the plastic/rubber practice chucks and even those hurt when you get one in the back of the head or in the nuts.

 

[kimzter]

Easiest way to ban approx. half the legally owned/registered handguns in the country. This means in one generation maybe two the gov' will have eliminated half the HG's Canadians own.

or cut the number of handgun owners in half
either way is just as bad for us, make sure your kids get the restricted firearms course when they take the non restricted one. If there are very few handgun owners we will lose them all
Kim

 

[sunray]

"...Why were "nunchuks" banned?..." For the same reason blow guns, morning stars and shuriken are prohibited. Too many Pygmie, medieval, ninjas holding up variety stores. Trying to figure out why something is banned or not can give you serious brain damage.

 

[John Sukey]

32's are cheap junk guns? Has anybody priced a Walther PP or PPK? You don't buy either one for a few beaver bucks.

 

[cybershooters]

I'm sure they were banned because they were: "Saturday Night Special" calibres, but whomever wrote the ban was a complete idiot because there are no .25s made with barrels longer than 105mm and pretty much all the .32s that have barrels longer than that are exempt under the ISSF pistol provisions.

In other words, it is entirely meaningless.

The only real effect of the ban on handguns in those calibres is that you cannot make your .25 or .32 legal by lengthening the barrel, you have to change the calibre too.

 

[bigdawg]

sunray i know what you mean man theres crazy mall ninjas out there robbin banks with blow guns and ninja stars i feel safer walking down the street because those things are banned i would't want them getting into the wrong hands i have seen those kunfu movie real bad news

 

[svt-40]

"...Why were "nunchuks" banned?..." For the same reason blow guns, morning stars and shuriken are prohibited. Too many Pygmie, medieval, ninjas holding up variety stores. Trying to figure out why something is banned or not can give you serious brain damage.

For the politicians: if you banned something that the criminals never use, you need to see your psychiatrist.

How may times in your entire life you heard that a crime has been committed with an illegal nunchak? And how many times with an illegal handgun?

 

[whntr]

Logic and common sense play no part in the Federal Government's gun laws. Remember they need to protect us from us.

 

[eos]

This insane ruling makes a SAA made pre 1898 in 32-20 a prohib

 

[Silverado]

This insane ruling makes a SAA made pre 1898 in 32-20 a prohib

Isn't a gun of that age considered an antique, and outside the prohibition?

 

[Silverback]

Isn't a gun of that age considered an antique, and outside the prohibition?

Unfortunately not 32-20 made the list for not being antique and it is 32 caliber so it is a Prohib, see below:

firearms prescribed as antique firearms in the Criminal Code regulations. These are:
Handguns:
manufactured before 1898 that can discharge centre-fire cartridges, other than a handgun designed or adapted to discharge 32 Short Colt, 32 Long Colt, 32 Smith and Wesson, 32 Smith and Wesson Long, 32-20 Winchester, 38 Smith and Wesson; 38 Short Colt, 38 Long Colt, 38-40 Winchester, 44-40 Winchester, or 45 Colt cartridges

The Criminal Code defines the following firearms as prohibited:

handguns with a barrel length of 105 mm (4.1 inches) or less, and handguns that discharge .25 or .32 calibre ammunition, except for a few specific models used in International Shooting Union competitions;.

 

[cyclone]

The fact of the matter is that the reason the .25 ACP was chosen for the more inexpensive pistols was because it was far easier to feed/chamber in pistols that were...of lesser quality. The .25 ACP is a centerfire cartridge, after all.