what wildcat's are out there made on a shortened magnum cartridges?

short barrel life due to bullet velocity burning out the rifling?

also, what is the reality in taking a scenario like this as an excuse to shoot heavy for caliber bullets to get the advantage of an even better ballistic coefficient for hunting purposes?

Although velocity can be attributed to barrel wear to a certain extent the most damaging aspect of loss of accuracy by a barrel is caused by turbulence of the burning gasses as they exit the case. This turbulence is more damaging in the cases with a fat body (more powder-bigger gas production) & a sharp shoulder angle- short neck. The sharp shoulder-short neck allows the flame/gasses to hit the barrel lands at a shorter angle ,facilitating a more damaging action at every shot. If you take a target barrel from a short necked cartridge that has suffered an accuracy degradation and put the first 1/2 inch of the rifling at the chamber end under magnification you will see a patern of steel degradation that resembles fish scaling ( the heat/pressure combination lifts microscopic flakes of steel that resemble fish scales) ....this is "chamber-bore washout". While some accuracy can be attributed to "bore wear" at the muzzle, most start with chamber -bore washout.
 
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The 458 was first from Winchester, then the 338 and 264, then the 300 last.

Of course Wildcatters had long had their way with the shorted H&H case.

While the 300wm is based on the 375 H&H, it's a longer body. OAL is 2.85, whereas the other cases are the 2.5 " magnum family. Most of the 2.5 " family can be formed from each other by simply necking up and down(within reason). However forming a 2.5" family brass from the 2.85" 300wm brass is much harder, probably possible, but questionable given the popularity of the 2.5" family cartridges.
 
I have a 7mm in a 25 WSSM case. The rifle was designed to shoot 180 bergers. 7 AIM or 7WSSM.

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I guess it's safe to say that the .300 Win Mag was never really looked at for widlcatting? that's interesting, being almost everything else has been, LoL!

on the aside, there is something about a fat bottom cartridge that attracts me to it, which has made me have a love for the 7.62x39 and it's wildcat's.
 
I have a 7mm in a 25 WSSM case. The rifle was designed to shoot 180 bergers. 7 AIM or 7WSSM.

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Epoxy7, that’s cool as hell. Something of your own? Or where did this originate? What sort of numbers are you seeing? Would you mind detailing the cartridge a bit? And what’s your particular application for this?

Thanks,
Rooster
 
Epoxy7, that’s cool as hell. Something of your own? Or where did this originate? What sort of numbers are you seeing? Would you mind detailing the cartridge a bit? And what’s your particular application for this?

Thanks,
Rooster

Actually Ardent came up with this about 9 years ago. I bough the rifle from him. I'll copy/paste the information he previously posted regarding this. I will say I have just recently dug this rifle out of the safe and changed it up. Originally it had the HS stock from the 5R milspec on it. Which I do like. However with this rifle it didn't work well for me. The 27" #8 contour barrel just didn't work with the shorter forend on the 5R stock. I kept a look out for the 700P stock but was beaten out every time I tried to get one. Because I really didn't like the balance it was relegated to the back of the safe. I've only shot once and it showed a lot of promise but I didn't do the reload work that is needed to get it dialed in. So... I just very recently bought a Cadex dual strike chassis for this rifle. Which meant I had to get new rings. I have a bit of fine tuning to do with the scope mount but I did put it on to see how it would work. So as of a couple of days ago it's in a configuration that I think should be a lot of fun to shoot.

The purpose is pretty much identical to the 6.5 CM. Fun target shooting with the ability to get out to 1000 yards with ease. I just really liked the idea. The same idea as the 6.5 but without the barrel burning properties. I'll post the write up and the before/after photo. It caught my interest again once I started looking into the 6.5 CM. As it happens I was finally able to get a stock system that I liked for it. It's time to start loading up for it and see what it can really do. One of the issues I had was finding the right OAL for this cartridge. I tried the marker trick etc but I never really felt that was very good. The previous owner didn't have the OAL. Also I don't want max velocity, I want max accuracy. So I will be testing out varget with the goal of hitting the accuracy node without worrying about the very highest velocity. Coincidentally a package arrived for me today which has the
Sinclair seating depth gauge that I ordered. I sucked with the other methods of determining the OAL, so this should get me going properly with this round. I could cheat with other rounds because the information was already out there.

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Previously posted by Ardent:

My new wildcat, 7mm AIM

When I learned of Berger's then new 180gr 7mm VLD awhile back I immediately liked the bullet, and especially its .684 BC. I knew this was a bullet I wanted to experiment with, and after having gone through 6mm's and 6.5mm's, 7mm was intriguing. I started looking for a case, it had to be high pressure, relatively low capacity, and very efficient. 7mm-08, while I love it, was ruled out as velocities would be abismal with the 180gr bullet. .284 Win was considered, and eventually ruled out as (and yes this is odd) having slightly too much capacity. As well, while an excellent case it's never interested me, even though the .284 might even be more sensible than the 6.5-284. After all, I wanted the perfect cartridge.

I grumbled, wishing I could wring more out of the '08 case. What I really wanted, was literally scaled up 6mm BR to 7mm. Enter the WSSM's... By the time I had my reamer in production with Pac Tool and gauge, Winchester had come out with the .25 WSSM, making my necking up job that much easier. While the WSSM's flopped, the case was a godsend for me. Short, fat, high pressure. Everyone asks why on earth I went with 7mm over 6.5 and shakes their heads and sigh at what could have, in their minds, been better. Not so, there's good reasoning. The 7mm VLD's have higher BC's, and I wanted to take advantage of the high pressures, 63,000psi or more, with my AIM case and the 7mm has better basal hydraulics. Many are aware, but I'll review for those who are not; when dealing with hydraulics, which pushing a bullet down a bore is a function of, there are two ways to increase the force exerted on the piston (the bullet in our case). In a fictional scenario where we are doubling the force, we have two options counting out more involved approaches that would muddy this example; double the pressure, OR, double the area of the piston. This is why a .260 will push a 100gr bullet faster than a .243. 7mm, with that 63,000psi, struck me as the right compromise. "You'll never hit any meaningful velocities, you're asking it to compete with 7mm Mag on HALF the powder." Well, as I'll detail below, it doesn't do too badly at all and more than holds its own, and load development's still progressing.

The 7mm AIM, is almost literally a scaled up 6mm BR in proportions. I went with a 30Âş shoulder, and a long freebore for the Berger, then since I was already trying new things, I figured why not toy with the barrel too. I decided to go polygonally rifled, as the concept has always struck me as superior. Less bullet deformation, higher retained BC's as a result, longer accurate life, and higher velocities versus cut rifled. Now, it's not a revolution in bench rest, as shooters aren't dropping their single point cut rifled barrels by any means, but since I was already moving away from convention and wanted every drop of velocity I could squeeze, I went for it, and ordered a 7mm polygonally rifled pac-nor super match with a 1:8" twist in stainless.

Making cases was simple, one pass through my neck sizer, and a fireform with regular loads, then annealing and reloading. So far, in preliminary load development, velocities are on the mark, 2750fps with H4350 and Varget, and outstanding accuracy, with the cases handling the loads with ease.

The donor action is a trued M700 SPS .300 WSM, stocks tried were lone wolf palma, AICS stage II, and finally and settled on the HS precision pictured. The scope is a Leupold Mk4 M1 16x40mm, in Mk4 low rings, atop a 20MOA base.

Ballistics: (If the table gets scrambled, my apologies, fingers crossed)

Yards -Inches Vel Mach Energy Time

0 -1.5 2750.0 2.415 3022.1 0.000
100 -0.0 2634.7 2.313 2773.9 0.111
200 -3.5 2522.2 2.215 2542.2 0.228
300 -12.5 2412.5 2.118 2325.9 0.349
400 -27.4 2305.5 2.024 2124.2 0.477
500 -48.9 2201.2 1.933 1936.2 0.610
600 -77.6 2099.6 1.844 1761.5 0.749
700 -114.2 2000.7 1.757 1599.6 0.896
800 -159.4 1904.8 1.673 1449.9 1.049
900 -214.3 1812.0 1.591 1312.1 1.211
1000 -279.7 1722.5 1.512 1185.7 1.381
1100 -356.9 1636.7 1.437 1070.5 1.560
1200 -447.0 1554.8 1.365 966.0 1.748
1300 -551.6 1477.1 1.297 871.9 1.946
1400 -672.1 1404.2 1.233 787.9 2.154
1500 -810.2 1336.4 1.173 713.7 2.373
1600 -967.9 1274.2 1.119 648.8 2.604
1700 -1147.0 1218.2 1.070 593.0 2.845
1800 -1349.6 1168.6 1.026 545.7 3.097
1900 -1577.8 1125.5 0.988 506.2 3.359
2000 -1833.4 1088.2 0.956 473.2 3.631

Supersonic to 1800 yards on 44gr of Varget, 47gr of H4350. Calculation at 2500ft, 15% humidity, 75F.

Preliminary loading results, all in 27" barrel:

44.0 Varget 2750fps
47.0 H4350 2750fps (room for work up slightly)
40.0 H4895 2650fps
50.0 Retumbo 2460fps (case full)

Goal realized, I'm hitting 2750fps comfortably, and have a lot of powders to try yet. As well, on testing this rifle shot in the .2's and .3's at 100 while doing the chrono work with untested loads.
I will be extending the reach as the weater warms, out to a mile, hopefully. Verdict: 7mm AIM (my initials) flies, and very well, a worthwhile project.

Chrono results in:

40.0gr H4895 180gr Berger 2650fps pressure high, safe, but stiffer bolt lift
47.0gr H4350 180gr Berger 2750fps pressure warm but not really hot yet
44.0gr Varget 180gr Berger 2750fps pressure high
50.0gr Retumbo 180gr Berger 2460fps (just can't fit enough into the case, very low pressure)

This meets or exceeds 7mm Magnum on a LOT less powder, with correspondingly less blast and recoil. I credit the polygonal bore and the stout, fat little high pressure case (WSSM loads routinely run 62,000psi).

Barrel's actually only 27", I mislabelled it as 27 1/2" earlier.

All in all, an impressive showing. I want 2800fps though, anyone have any powder suggestions? I'm going to try a work up on 4350 a bit as there's room for a bit more there, but it'll be a bit warm for my liking. So if you have a powder in mind you think would work well here, please let me know.

As a side note, this thing will send 7mm AMAX's sailing, as they're only 162gr, I will try them next. So far the Berger's shooting insanely well though.


As the rifle currently sits as of a few days ago:

Remington 300 WSM action trued etc to a 27" #8 Pacnor polygonal 1:8 twist barrel.
The trigger is a timney's straight trigger (note there isn't a safety on this rifle)
Cadex Dual strike Chassis system
NF 12-42 NSX (I also have a 5-22X NF that can be swapped on for extreme distance shooting)

Looking at the dimensions I may be able to make this a mag fed rifle with this wildcat. The chassis will accept an AIC style mag. So I'll be looking into mags for this wildcat. Previously it was a single shot only.

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I love it! How far did Ardent get with it before you got it? Seems as though development wasn't completed - at least by what appears above. I'm seriously curious to know your upcoming progress with this.

One thing I struggle to fully understand with what Ardent had described is the chosen powders: it's quite a leap between the Varget / H4895 / H4350 burn rate range and the Retumbo rate. It would be very interesting to see results from several of the excellent powders between those two bands. Some of the newer Alliant powders come to mind.

To me, the idea of this cartridge is far more interesting than most of the developments that have come from the manufacturers over the last decade or more. That's just me, though...

Rooster
 
I love it! How far did Ardent get with it before you got it? Seems as though development wasn't completed - at least by what appears above. I'm seriously curious to know your upcoming progress with this.

One thing I struggle to fully understand with what Ardent had described is the chosen powders: it's quite a leap between the Varget / H4895 / H4350 burn rate range and the Retumbo rate. It would be very interesting to see results from several of the excellent powders between those two bands. Some of the newer Alliant powders come to mind.

To me, the idea of this cartridge is far more interesting than most of the developments that have come from the manufacturers over the last decade or more. That's just me, though...

Rooster

I don't think he got any further with it. He was going back to school and while he didn't really want to sell the rifle, he knew I was interested in it. Unfortunately I ended up moving and my shooting time was curtailed. So in the back of the safe it sat. With the 6.5 CM being the rage this last year or so, I decided to take another look at it, rather than buy a 6.5 cm. After seeing many 22-250 rifles exhibit outstanding accuracy/velocity but burn through barrels, I was still on the fence with the 6.5. The 6.5 CM seemed to exhibit similar characteristics to the 22-250. So instead I decided to mod the wildcat rifle I have.

This rifle was build about 9-11 years ago or so. So the powder choices or what was available may have been a factor. That being said I liked the varget as I use it for 308 and the H4350 looked even better as it wasn't hot. I believe I have some H4831SC that I could try which could get the 180 vld up to 2800 fps. But again I'm really less interested in high velocity and more interested in accuracy with less barrel burning tendencies.

Also the 162 Amax rounds were another consideration although I will be playing around with the 180 VLD first since I have a bunch of them on hand.

Here's a bit more info about this project from Ardent:

3 powders, 2 of which worked great, and one bullet, there's a ton of potential loads. Even the powder that wasn't suitable (it was Retumbo, too bulky, only got to 2,500fps, but at low pressure so this was still reasonable) was still incredibly accurate. The powders that worked well were H4895 (peaked out, can't fill the case as burn rate's a little too fast and pressure gets high), and H4350 (worked very well, can get you comfortably over 2,700fps, and very very accurate). Haven't tried 4831SC, but I'm almost certain it's going to be perfect for this caliber. Did a good bit of research on it, and it looks absolutely ideal.

As for case forming, easy, no fire forming whatsoever. Literally just pass the lubed .25 WSSM brass through the sizing die and you're done. You can load those cases with regular loads right off the bat, but they do fill out nicely to your chamber once fired

As for load data, I just used max 7mm-08 loads and worked up
 
The Sherman short mag line is based on the short action ultra mag case. He improved it by blowing out the taper, pushed the shoulder back in order to seat heavy for caliber Bullets, and did a 40 degree shoulder. They are proven to at least keep up with belted mags in the same caliber, but fit in a short action. There is very good saum brass available, he even now has his own headstamped brass from ADG (extremely durable). Case desgin is very efficient and great barrel life expected due to having a longer neck and relatively low powder charge to get great velocity. Case design handles pressure better than a typical case design. I’ve loaded my 338 Sherman short mag with a 250 berger up to 2859 fps, I will even get more with better brass. There are others experimenting with a different throat length to get a bit more out of it.
 
Does anyone still shoot or buy 300 WSM? I thought it was dying off.

It's not as popular as 300WM, but it's terribly convenient for reloaders. It's easy to make ammos with a 110 grns bullet that recoils like a 30-30 or 200grns similar to a 300wm. You also get the very large choice of bullets due to popularity of 308 bullets. Most stores like Cambodgian Tire sell factory munitions, so they're easy to get, and priced similar to 300WM, except they go on sale more often (both rifles and ammos). Ammos (and brass) are easier to find than 6.5 creedmore, but nobody is questioning the survivability of the creedmore.

7mm WSM is a goner imho. Too bad though, technically it's a great cartridge.
 
The ism cartridges are not based off the 404 Jeffries like the Remingtons were. Slightly smaller in diameter. To get back to the OP there are a few wildcats based on the 300 WM but few because the 2.5" (.458;7RM.264 and 338,) cases preceded it by a few years and these had all been wildcatted prior to the 300 coming into existence.
 
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22 Vampire killer.. 17 werewolf. ... 22 pussy cat.
Real or just dreamed up! .458 cases and .44 mag so the story goes.
 
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