Armedsask said:
you going to design an entirely new firearm? Didn't DLASK already do this? I think they already designed a PUMP AR15 that uses ar mags? Im getting confused. So the 7615 has nothing to do with this mag project? Alright im following.
What would you pay for legal full cap AR15 magazines?
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you going to design an entirely new firearm? Didn't DLASK already do this? I think they already designed a PUMP AR15 that uses ar mags? Im getting confused. So the 7615 has nothing to do with this mag project? Alright im following.
The reason the 7615 has nothing to do with the project is that Remington advertised it as having a mag well designed to use AR15 mags. As such, the RCMP has determined any magazine designed for it would be an AR15 mag.
the problem to overcome is the part that says "commonly avilable gun"
you'd have to make thousands of the bolt rifles.
the 9mm ones were accecpted here because the 9mm AR pistals are "commonly avilable" there are lots in the US.
you'd have to make thousands of the bolt rifles.
the 9mm ones were accecpted here because the 9mm AR pistals are "commonly avilable" there are lots in the US.
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Armedsask said:
Cool can we suggest some design points..???
A) I want an Ak type gas system
B) should accept AR furniture (Pistol grip and handguard)
C) M1 Garand type sights
D) Reversable charging handle and ejection port
D) Galil type folding stock
e) Cool rails everywhere....
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Wow, this kinda sounds like what I am planning, except for my idea is sort of a cross between a Styer AUG and a mossberg 500. If I ever get the thing completely done (Something always doesn't seem good enough when I am planning it) You guys will get to see the thing.
For the RCMP taking a look at it, Would a plastic non-firing prototype be good enough for them to decide with?
For the RCMP taking a look at it, Would a plastic non-firing prototype be good enough for them to decide with?
scott said:
If it is available through normal commerce, it is commonly available. If it's a custom made to order gun, it isn't common. The threshold is pretty low. If it wasn't, any new pistol on the market would be limited to 5 rounds until they became "common".
You can take what I say however you like, but here is what we learned after having gone through this process during the past 9 months (and dealt with everyone from CFC, RCMP and their legal reviews).
Focus on the magazine... you don't need to build a gun... there are already guns that magazines can be manufactured for.
Mark
- The magazine is regulated NOT what you put it into (this was previously stated but apparently some people don't really read the posts ).
- The issue is NOT what Magazine the Firearm is designed to use... the issue is what Firearm the MAGAZINE was MANUFACTURED for.
- Taking a magazine and changing the base plate won't change what the magazine was manufactured to be used in (that came straight from the RCMP)... though there is an arguement to be made that if the actual magazine manufacturer put a "Pistol" based plate on the mag it would in fact be a "Pistol Magazine" as made by the manufacturer... but RCMP doesn't seem willing to accept that arguement without a "fight".
- The magazine doesn't necessarly have to be "re-designed" it just has to be manufactured "for".
- My understanding is that Remington did not manufacture the magazines and was not interested in manufacturing a magazine for their pump rifle (the Canadian market is just too small to bother with).
- If you manufacture a brand new magazine (it could be an exact duplicate of an AR magazine) and you make that new magazine specifically for an AR Pistol and you incorporate into the mold/die the name of that AR Pistol, then you will have manufactured a "Pistol" magazine and that magazine can legally have a 10 round capacity.
- You will need to submit that product (numerous units actually) to the RCMP for evaluation and classification... if they agree it's manufactured for the AR Pistol (as indicated) then that magazine will be considered a "Handgun" magazine and legal for 10 round capacity... REGARDLESS of what firearm it is inserted into.
Focus on the magazine... you don't need to build a gun... there are already guns that magazines can be manufactured for.
Mark
Two Questions.
1) Gatehouses question about altering the AR magwell?
2) IF I am reading Mark correctly, someone could design a specific 7615 mag and mark it as such - it could be unlimited capacity?
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1) Gatehouses question about altering the AR magwell?
2) IF I am reading Mark correctly, someone could design a specific 7615 mag and mark it as such - it could be unlimited capacity?
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Savage said:
Just one more "suggestion or opinion"... and I have no specific foundation for this other than a "feeling" that I got when dealing with everyone on this stuff the past year...
I got a lot of support from both CFC and RCMP... they agreed that, as long as we met the legal requirements stipulated in the legislation, having 10 round pistol magazines for use in rifles was not a problem and in fact they were "supportive". I do NOT believe that they would be supportive of a loophole that would allow unlimited magazines being used in rifles... and that is in fact what you guys are talking about. Though you use the term 30 round magazines, the truth is that using your arguement a 250 round Beta type mag "made" for a Remington 7615 would then be useable in an AR-15.
My feeling is that it won't happen... in fact I believe that if you find a way to make 30 round AR-15 mags useable in the AR (however you do it) "the powers that be" will simply change the rules to insure you can't actually use them... and in so doing they may well legislate against the 10 round pistol mags being used in anything other then a handgun.
They can change the rules any time they like... and you aren't going to find political support for umlimited magazine capacity in AR-15's... you're kidding yourself if you believe that.
I believe that if someone comes out with a 30 round (or more) AR-15 compatible magazine for the 7615 (or any other non semi-automatic long gun) that the legislation will be changed to insure that semi-automatic rifles cannot be used with a magazine (of any type) that has a capacity over 5 or 10 rounds. In the long run I think it will hurt us all... not help.
That's just my opinion and there's no specific facts that I can quote to support it... it's just a feeling... and it's why we never seriously considered doing this.
Mark
Mark I agree with you but if the mag was designed to only function in the Mag well of the 7615 it should be clear of hurdles.However if a 30rnd mag for the 7615 were to be used in an AR after modifactions were done to the mag well of that AR to use the 7615 mags is opening up a pandoras box of troubles
I would pay up to $120.00 for a legal 30 round AR mag, but I would pay less, of course, if the market permitted. If a situation arose where you produced say 100 mags and they were approved, but all further production was prohibited, I might pay $250 per mag assuming the capacity was 30 or greater.
