What would you use?

Beniw765 said:
@ Remisteel

Never mentioned budget ?

Not looking to pick a fight just expressing a different point of view than yours and you seem to call everyone out who does.
No kale today but training this morning was awesome.
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Oh I had Kale today, I am training for a competition, and welcome back... Budget was an oversight, but since you pointed the useful fact out there are some available inside of his budget.

And as far as what you call "Calling Out" as in offering another opinion that somehow doesn't coincide with what you agree with "Calling Out" then sonny boy you have never been "Called out" in the traditional way.

But whatever tough guy.
 
Ix said:
Guys please, can we stick with what the OP was intended for?
We can all speculate as to what SHTF means and all, but I'm pretty sure a CQB SBR black or green rifle is gonna be restricted for now, feel free to start a thread in the appropriate forum if you think something else than a semi-auto short barrel rifle is your answer to the end of days. Would've been nice to see everybody's favorite SBR black gun set up in here, rather than arguing about something else...
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When you ask for what the OP asked for you can expect some debate, it is just the nature of the subject like, Politics, and asking for peoples opinions on the subject, and then you saying everyone's opinions should be "I'm pretty sure a CQB SBR black or green rifle is gonna be restricted for now" I think that comment is very short sited, there are obviously SBR CQB Non-restricted options. The OP did not specifie Restricted as his only desired opinion it was open to interpretation.

Ans "SHTF" means exactly what it means, no speculation needed, that's why everyone agrees and is free to discuss what they want, you want to apply all kinds of rules to a conversation and enforce them like your some kind of Moderator/Mediator, Free speech buddy, I am entitled to an opinion, and so are you. but you seem to have an issue with other people not seeing it your way.
 
The "NON - RESTRICTED" T-97 is also a great option for around $1300. Pretty sweet deal.

◦19" Barrel
◦223 / 5.56 Caliber
◦Takes standard AR style magazines
◦Flat Top with Picatinny Rail
◦25/5 Magazine
◦Canadian Manufactured Full Metal Upper
◦Left Side Charging Handle


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SBR means short barrel rifle, and here the the black rifle forum that pretty much means restricted as anything below 18.5" will be, and anything above won't have a short barrel. I'm not saying a short barrel shotgun doesn't have its place in a CQB SHTF a scenario, I'm saying it doesn't have its place in the black rifle forum... I'd make an exception for bullpup as their overall length is usually around the same as a non-bullpup SBR, but than again the OP did ask about short barrel rifle.
but feel free to keep posting beside the point, I would've like to see everyone prefered set up more that is all.
 
Pretty obvious the guy wants an AR, why try to talk him out of it? If he wanted to non-restricted bullpup or even a mini 30 he would have mentioned it as being an option. He was pretty specific with what he's interested in, and wasn't asking for opinions on different platforms. He's looking for a reputable AR company and some good useful accessories for under 3000$, only seems to be one person that isn't understanding that... We'll call that a clue.
 
When SHTF, I'm not going too terribly worried about having an ATT between range/home.

Given the context that the OP has posted within, I would suggest a mid-range brand with lots of "time-in" as being trusted and respected duty guns. No boutique, no customs...personally I use a Stag. But makes like DD, Colt, BCM, Bushy, S&W, LMT, CMMG are all part of the good.

1. Stag 14.5" barrel
2. Aimpoint PRO (because for cqb/sbr you won't need magnified)
3. BFG Vickers sling
4. 5-6x good quality mags
5. Rails
6. Surefire or Fenix WML
7. Troy BUIS

IMHO, the above are requirements. Everything else is just comfort and preference.
That's what I use/have per OP's generic question.

I do carry a rifle for work on occasion for those SHTF situations, it's pretty much the same setup, except its a PDW-length upper.
 
Remisteel said:
The "NON - RESTRICTED" T-97 is also a great option for around $1300. Pretty sweet deal.

◦19" Barrel
◦223 / 5.56 Caliber
◦Takes standard AR style magazines
◦Flat Top with Picatinny Rail
◦25/5 Magazine
◦Canadian Manufactured Full Metal Upper
◦Left Side Charging Handle


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You flat out say the AR is a lousy option for SHTF because there will be no more stores for parts, and you "don't have little springs and parts laying around anywhere, I shouldn't need any parts". Then you suggest a POS norinco, as if AR's break and T97's do not, among numerous contradictions in your statements. This is what I am saying is disjointed about your argument, and good day to you sir...
 
Sakonut said:
You flat out say the AR is a lousy option for SHTF because there will be no more stores for parts, and you "don't have little springs and parts laying around anywhere, I shouldn't need any parts". Then you suggest a POS norinco, as if AR's break and T97's do not, among numerous contradictions in your statements. This is what I am saying is disjointed about your argument, and good day to you sir...
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It is what it is and you still bring nothing to the table, T-97's are much better now than when they used to be, hardly POS. Lots of POS Ar's out there too.

And if here in the Black and green rifle thread a .5" means the difference between short and long then so be it, FN FS 2000 is still a great candidate, expensive but you will pay if you want elite functional quality gear.

Unlike Sakonut who thinks everything runs forever and still hasn't shown us anything but a love affair with an AR.

What do you use... Still nothing, maybe a bolt action Sako made in china along side all the other POS Norincos?
 
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A serious non-mad max fantasy to the answer of SHTF:

Ruger 10/22 in .22 LR. You can have a lot of ammo and use it to hunt many games to sustain yourself. It can be used for self defence as well. It is quiet and won't damage your hearings too much if fired within confined space. It is light and can be carried by almost anyone, and passed on to anyone.
 
Gunnerlove said:
A decent 14.5-16" carbine, an Aimpoint and a sling.

Then take a carbine course, see what others including the instructor are using and try to get some hands on and advice to decide what you like/need in the way of extras.
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What he said. A good colt, dd, bcm, knights carbine would work nice. I'm sure there are more. hks are big money but good quality

ILLUSIVE said:
When shtf? Do you know something we don't? If you want a shtf rifle get a sks.
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Remisteel said:
The "NON - RESTRICTED" T-97 is also a great option for around $1300. Pretty sweet deal.

◦19" Barrel
◦223 / 5.56 Caliber
◦Takes standard AR style magazines
◦Flat Top with Picatinny Rail
◦25/5 Magazine
◦Canadian Manufactured Full Metal Upper
◦Left Side Charging Handle


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Jesus this thread became really funny.

T97s and FS2000 are great options? So what do you do when that polymer charging handle busts in the FS2000? Or try clearing a major malfunciton like a double feed in one of those?

Assuming the T97 runs at all it has #### ergos and the gun has ZERO parts support. And being a norc it will #### the bed long before pretty much any ar.
 
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Remisteel said:
I happen to have had the pleasure of carrying an AR, and I do own one. I don't have little springs and parts laying around anywhere, I shouldn't need any parts, I have no Blas against them, not sure why penetration matters as long as it penetrates, pretty sure it is also illegal to keep loaded mags in your safe next to your restricted rifle. Not much good if it is in a safe to begin with, which my non restricted shotgun need not be. A simple 3 digit trigger lock one digit away from being open and I am 20 seconds ahead of you at least, seconds count when it's time. If you can train on a AR sure you can use it CQB, but lets face it most never take it that far, I can tell you a .223 may not stop your perp, but a chest full of 00 they will be on the floor. Plus I can put any kind of shot for most types of game, including deer, and moose. AR is a one trick pony with your average Joe running it, things to fail on an AR platform? Operator
ammo mags extractor proper lubrication those would be the most common causes of failures. then further down the line would be Springs Pins Gas issues, charging handle latch PIN, The damn BCG, bolts break as well, firing pin. Any of this stuff breaks your AR is useless Gear is great, but training is the key. Ar's are cool but they are not survival guns
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But.....

I thought you said this:

Remisteel said:
Hello I am brand new to the sport, I finally gave in after years of being hounded by my co-workers and my brother and after seeing what Chow wants to do in The T. was also directed here for some educational purposes, so I hope to learn a lot thanks everyone.

Remi
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In this thread:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1138469-Hello-all-you-Gun-Nutz

this, not 3 months ago :rolleyes:
 
true enough, that new takedown and a couple HC3R mags would go a long way while passing completely under the radar...

greentips said:
A serious non-mad max fantasy to the answer of SHTF:

Ruger 10/22 in .22 LR. You can have a lot of ammo and use it to hunt many games to sustain yourself. It can be used for self defence as well. It is quiet and won't damage your hearings too much if fired within confined space. It is light and can be carried by almost anyone, and passed on to anyone.
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FATALITY!!!

If we're getting back on track, I'll just bring back the OP and flesh out my response a little.

Slopok said:
Hi everyone,

Looking at getting a SBR/CQB rifle. Just wondering what you would you use as a minimum amount of attachments, like, say flashlight, red dot, BUS type of deal.
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Any rifle I use for CQB type stuff gets the following:

Red Dot or 1-4/1-6
White light
BUIS
Sling

What brand of rifles would you use and what brands of attachments?
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I like Colt and BCM rifles. If I had a limitless budget I might look at KAC and Noveske but honestly, there is not much they do that my other rifles don't.

DD used to be a very solid bet but their QC has had some issues over the past year or two. Probably not a deal breaker...but when you can get the A-grade for the same (or less)...why not?

Red Dots for me are all Aimpoint. I have used others. The Shield CQB stuff is good, but the Aimpoint is more of a known quantity IMO. The Eotechs are in a different time zone for reliability. I would just go with an Aimpoint.

For low-powered variable scopes there's a bunch of options but they get out of your price range pretty fast and if this is primarily CQB...I think the red dots are better. My general purpose gun sports a variable.

For lights, I just mount Surefire X300 Ultras in front of the front sight.

For BIUS there's a ton of decent options. If you have an Aimpoint you'll probably never need them. I have most frequently used Troy sights but I'd be equally happy with DD, Magpul, KAC, any quality brand. I have the Surefire RTS on my GP gun.

For slings I like Vickers, but there's a couple of other ones I like. The Proctor is good. I also like the Sheriff of Baghdad sling. They don't get any press up here but they're both good options. The Vickers will be easier to find.


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its going to be trained with as much as I can so I am efficient with it for when SHTF.
Thanks
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Awesome, and you're welcome
 
This is one of my favorite AR's to shoot. I always have a Vickers sling on it but had it on another rifle for some pics.

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BenL said:
But.....

I thought you said this:



In this thread:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1138469-Hello-all-you-Gun-Nutz

this, not 3 months ago :rolleyes:
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Well now that you found me out by taking the time to research all of my posts, that's not creepy.

I will say not everyone who has to carry a firearm is into the sporting end, and not everyone in the sporting end carries a firearm for work everyday.

And besides if you have to ask you wouldn't understand the answer.

So Sherlock I do not owe you or anyone any explanations.
 
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