What wouldn't a 35Rem kill?

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The more I play around with this cartridge the more I like it. I carried it with 200gr Core-lok for moose last year but we only had calf tags and didn't see anything. This year I'll take it for deer and calf moose and next year hopefully bear.

I'm starting to work with the Spears 220gr hot core, see if I can get something around 2200 fps. I know that is more then enough for anything in my home province but what about anything NA wide, is it up to the task?

Discuss.
 
200gr Rem CL is perfect bullet for medium game in NA. For elk, large moose and large bears 220gr Speer FP is even better with vastly better penetration. 2200fps is quite easy to reach in my Marlin 336 20" long barrel but only with Hogdon Lever Revolution powder. I use that combo since....forever with excelent accuracy. The only problem is, that I am down to 3 boxes of those bullets (150pc) and I understand that they are not made any more.
 
gunrunner8 said:
200gr Rem CL is perfect bullet for medium game in NA. For elk, large moose and large bears 220gr Speer FP is even better with vastly better penetration. 2200fps is quite easy to reach in my Marlin 336 20" long barrel but only with Hogdon Lever Revolution powder. I use that combo since....forever with excelent accuracy. The only problem is, that I am down to 3 boxes of those bullets (150pc) and I understand that they are not made any more.
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LVR is what I am playing around with as well. I need to get a chrono though so i can see what she is doing.

Would anyone take a Bison with one? People do with 30-06 so why not the .35 at closer range? Or how about grizzly's?
 
I'd chose bigger, but with a tough bullet it is certainly capable of taking Wood Bison. It is however not legal for it here in BC, fails on energy by almost half the legal requirement at 100 yards, and I follow the regulations view that this is a good benchmark for the species. Wood Bison are in my eyes a .300 Mag with a premium 200gr bullet and up creature, and in a perfect world a ..338 of 375 Mag. They're tough on a scale few other things are, mind you. Grizzly, yes it would kill one cleanly. If following a wounded one I'd want a lot more horsepower though.
 
I like the older cartridges more than the newer ones myself....... 35Rem would be a cool woods rifle, if I didn't have the 375bb id be looking at the 35 cal Sister to the Whelen

my 375bb takes Sambar no worries at 1850fps, so the 35 rem at 2200 would be 'better', similar speeds as the 375bb factory loads!

wl
 
Ardent said:
I'd chose bigger, but with a tough bullet it is certainly capable of taking Wood Bison. It is however not legal for it here in BC, fails on energy by almost half the legal requirement at 100 yards, and I follow the regulations view that this is a good benchmark for the species. Wood Bison are in my eyes a .300 Mag with a premium 200gr bullet and up creature, and in a perfect world a ..338 of 375 Mag. They're tough on a scale few other things are, mind you. Grizzly, yes it would kill one cleanly. If following a wounded one I'd want a lot more horsepower though.
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What are the requirements for Wood Bison in BC out of curiosity? According to Hornady ballistic calculator at 100yrds with the 220's with muzzle velocity of 2200fps gives you 1928fps and 1815 ft-lbs.
 
2000ft-lbs at 100 yards and a 200 grain bullet minimum, that's the absolute bare minimum mind you, one would be well advised to go stronger by good measure. Would be very similar to .243 on moose for an analogy, it'll work, but better choices. It would be based upon factory loadings as well, as the CO's will just read the headstamp and search the cartridge. I've never heard of it going to court but doubt handloads would be accepted if they are beyond the average performance of the cartridge.

This said, I love moderate, heavy bullet cartridges and find their lethality is often impressive. Penetration kills from my point of view, and they have it in spades.
 
Ardent said:
2000ft-lbs at 100 yards and a 200 grain bullet minimum, that's the absolute bare minimum mind you, one would be well advised to go stronger by good measure. .
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Minimum is 175gr actually.

"ammunition to hunt bison must be constructed with a 175 grain or larger bullet, which retains 2,712 joules (2,000 ft lbs) or more energy at 100 m."
 
Ardent..........I really am trying with courage to understand your reasoning with fur?
Spray a bear that isn't really a problem with bear spray to see what the reaction would be?
Then buy on line a kwick source of B.C. tags and then this response?
B.C. stands for British Columbia, the western province.
Do please take note.............:wave:
 
Kamlooky, you've lost me completely. We sprayed an aggressive bear that stood at the head of a trail to several parked trucks from a fishing spot. Twist it any way that makes you happy, but we had our kids and other kids were on the river yet to come up, it was a sound decision.

Second, yes I spend most of my time about a five or six hour round trip from a small town, and when I'd like a tag, I'd absolutely love not having to drive hours on bush roads for no reason. We're not all close to a major city all the time. :)

Third, I like you 'looky, let's keep it that way, not sure where this sudden very apparent drive to feud developed from. And please explain what you mean in this thread, you've really got me confused there.

Cheers 'looky. :cheers:
 
Freddy, you can be sure your 35 Rem with 220 Speers at 2200 fps will handle moose, caribou, black bear, and deer with aplomb. I wouldn't choose it for hunting woods bison or grizzly, but would not hesitate to use it if I needed to.

Ted
 
The Yukon has likely the best Wood Bison hunting synopsis out there, in one I read recently, the CO's stated about one quarter of all harvested Bison have wounds from being shot, unsuccessfully, before. This would equate to far more than a 1/4 of the population has been shot, as certainly many died long after being wounded and weren't recovered. Why Not I'm sure could also relate how far a wounded one can go. This said, seen them taken with .30-06 to .375 H&H, cleanly, the .30-06 was a neck shot. I also feel the .35 Rem could do swell, but I'd chose bigger, doesn't appear to make the BC minimums as well from a legal standpoint.

In summary and to avoid my steering off course, I don't believe there is a thing that can't be killed by a .35 Rem, but there are better choices past a certain threshold.
 
kamlooky said:
Ardent..........I really am trying with courage to understand your reasoning with fur?
Spray a bear that isn't really a problem with bear spray to see what the reaction would be?
Then buy on line a kwick source of B.C. tags and then this response?
B.C. stands for British Columbia, the western province.
Do please take note.............:wave:
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Looky me old fodder lives in Nanimoo........he says and I quote "B.C stands for Bring Cash".....;)

But in the neck'o'the woods I moved from a while back....Deerdr country that izz, B.C stanz fer behind Corbeil......and if you're frum behind Corbeil??.........R:d:

And to chime in my two cents worth......there isn't anything in North America a 35 Rem would not kill IMO......
 
Why not? said:
Freddy, you can be sure your 35 Rem with 220 Speers at 2200 fps will handle moose, caribou, black bear, and deer with aplomb. I wouldn't choose it for hunting woods bison or grizzly, but would not hesitate to use it if I needed to.

Ted
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Hey Ted, I never did get back to you about the Speers. Kids are melting my brain, if I don't write stuff down I forget them in 10 min.


This is all just for conversation sake, I do not have anything bigger then moose planned in my near future. I first got interested in the 35 Rem last year after H4831 and crazy_davey suggested it in a thread I started about my new found love for Marlins. I can't really put my thumb on it, but this short fat little cartridge has really sucked me in. I find I can't even look at my 30-30's or my Winchesters anymore now that I found how awesome the Marlin 336 in 35 Remington is. Hopefully this year I will get to connect with something with her, last year was a bit of a bust.
 
Why not? said:
Freddy, you can be sure your 35 Rem with 220 Speers at 2200 fps will handle moose, caribou, black bear, and deer with aplomb. I wouldn't choose it for hunting woods bison or grizzly, but would not hesitate to use it if I needed to.

Ted
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...my father's cousin used a 35 rem in a remington 141 'unicorn' spiralled magazine to feed his family for decades before ww 2, and returning home after he suffered severe burns from an on-board explosion, still used the 35 remmy for a decade to do the same before switching to a field master 30-06...just decided to treat himself to something new...never felt sorry for himself...took bear, deer , moose with that classic...may be a bit shy for bison, don't know, but anything he came across never made it out of the woods still breathing...

...i personally shoot only slow and fat, now, (would link a 35 remmy in there), and still have plenty of guns that are fast and flat, but don't need 'em...

best
 
bcsteve said:
Minimum is 175gr actually.

"ammunition to hunt bison must be constructed with a 175 grain or larger bullet, which retains 2,712 joules (2,000 ft lbs) or more energy at 100 m."
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Yep, 175gr minimum. I think the 7mmRM with a 175gr bullet would just pass muster. Unfortunately I didn't get drawn for Bison this year so could not justify buying a big bore to upgrade from my 7mm, at least not quite yet, but I could possibly foresee a .375 of some sort in my future.
 
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