What's a 16 gauge wingmaster worth.

We all share a passion (it is an overused word) for shotguns and shooting. Some like to just read the posts. Some like to ask questions hoping for some expert advice. Some are proud of lifetime achievements in the shotgun sporting world and like to share. I for one enjoy reading about other's achievements and often find many words of wisdom in the posts. I would ask that if you feel compelled to confront another poster via a post ( a PM is more appropriate) take a moment, walk away from the PC and I am confident that you won't place the post. Most of us here don't want to be part of someone's disgruntlement. I know it curbs the enjoyment I gain from the site. If you have a beef remember it is only you with that beef.

Darryl
 
For my part, I'm VERY fond of 16 gauge. I lean heavily toward 12 ga when hunting tough species like pheasant and sharptail. 12 ga is, IMO, the only way to go for most competition sports. Conversely, I appreciate the lively handling and lighter weights of sub gauge guns when facing a long carry in hot conditions while hunting small, nimble species like ruffed grouse and snipe.

Back when the shotgun bug bit me hard, I was somewhat overwhelmed by the variety of makers, types of actions, and gauges. It was daunting to consider how much it would cost just to acquire one of each, let alone a decent collection. A wise and dear friend bailed me out with a good piece of advice. "Don't even try to do it all", was his advice,"choose areas of interest and focus on those." By this, he meant to choose British guns, or Spanish guns, or American guns; choose break action doubles, or pumps or semis; choose 12 gauge, 20, or .410. The ability of this approach to focus a person's efforts, and to offer ultimate flexibility for your own personality to come out is powerful.

Using myself as an example, I couldn't decide whether I lusted after British, American, Spanish, or other makers. I wasn't sure of my preference of action designs, either. But, I was pretty sure I didn't need every gauge that was ever made. So, I started with only one rule - when it comes to shotguns, I would confine my purchases (shooters AND collectors) to 3 gauges - 12, 16, & 20. I've adhered to this policy ever since. Have I ever been tempted to buy a 28 ga or a .410? Most definitely, but I didn't.

Since then, my tastes have narrowed even more. I've discovered that I have no use for semi-autos (my personal taste - no offense to those who appreciate them). My opinion is that the nationality of the maker is irrelevant; often the maker doesn't matter nearly as much as the quality of the individual piece.

The result of these choices is that all of my shotguns are break action or pumps; all either 12, 16, or 20 ga. Even with only the 3 gauges in my safe, I have found that 16 ga has not been orphaned by 12 and 20. My choice of gauge for any given hunt usually revolves around the shot size(s) I intend to use and the load. When I'm going to be using 6 or 7 1/2 shot in one ounce loads, 16 ga gets the call. Choosing the gun based on the shot size and load has never left me feeling under-gunned. It has never left me feeling like I'm carrying unnecessary weight in the field, either.

I've been very happy with the choices I made so many years ago. I've never once felt deprived of flexibility because I don't have a .410 or a 10 ga. The 16 ga guns don't sit in the safe because they seem like a half-step between a 12 and a 20, either. On the contrary, they fill a sweet spot where 12 ga would mean using a light load, and 20 too heavy a load. The best all around performance from a one-ounce load, for example, is achieved with a gun in the 6 lb, 8 oz range. By performance, I'm referring primarily to recoil and shot patterns.

16 gauge guns are a poor choice for competition sports only because competition loads are almost impossible to find. If a competitor were to load their own, however, 16 ga has a patterning advantage in the load ranges specified by the governing bodies. For hunting purposes, I've never had trouble finding suitable 16 gauge shells. I even have Gamebore 2 1/2" loads in 16 ga. Supplies can be limited in some areas where retailers don't see enough demand, but even those retailers will special order by the flat.

I realise my opinion contradicts that of some who have had different life experiences. And, that my feeble old mind may have strayed into the realm of story telling. Please feel free to ignore my comments if they cause you to feel offended in any way.
 
I agree... not the first time its happened either.

Why is a response from you not a shock. Why don't you ignore me also like spank.
Problem solved
I remember well your last attack on me

Originally Posted by dilly
Maybe it’s just me, but I am sick and tired of hearing on almost every thread how you seem to own multiple versions of every damn gun ever made. I don’t care if you own 500 guns. It doesn’t make you an expert, it just makes you stubborn and opinionated.

No new gun should require the buyer to have to polish the chamber, scrub the finish, apply wax ect. My first gun was an 870 12ga Wingmaster. Never had major issues with it. Still have it. Still works great. Most new express guns I have seen suck.


originally posted by 3macs1

My apologies and NEVER have I said I was an expert. I figured that is why we are here to share our collections and experience. Sorry that bothers you and I don't post every shotgun thread. But you got it wrong it is more like strong willed and experienced and not from the internet

But since you started it actually I only ever got to 304 when my dad passed and I added his collection of which most were shotguns to mine but I have reduced the herd big time by 2/3 in the past 5 /10 years due to my age but still have enough to yack about them and most of our wingmasters are still with me. I have never collected one gauge of any make but the set of each from 410 to the 10ga if available like a bps for example

An express can be in some cases a piece of crap IMO compared to a wingmaster and should never have been called a 870 there is where the problem started and I agree with you no gun should require polishing to make it work. Then again for the price if it goes bang and gets people shooting nothing wrong with that


Sorry if my posts offend you but there are not too many quality shotguns in pump version I don't still have a sample of since I loved pumps of all makes and have been collecting and working on them since the 60's in my dad's shop plus with an engineering background gives me a bit more knowledge around these than most . If that comes across as stubborn and opinionated so be it but it is NOT based on owning one 870 and from that determining that remington 870 shotguns are crap as some do here

IMO most unfortunately have never owned a true Remington 870 as us old guys know them . Sounds like you have had at least one so might know what I mean

Cheers
 
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Well you’re a bit confused there old timer. I never responded to your post on here. I expressed my opinion on the 16 ga shotshell and it was you who jumped at me for my post with your “I could care less if anyone thinks the 16 is viable” blah blah blah in your confrontational way should anyone have an opinion that doesn’t match your own. I guess I should have just chosen to ignore your post rather than reply. And no I won’t put you on ignore, I’m not stooping to your level of tolerance, name calling and chest pounding challenges.
Anyways this thread isn’t about you so I am finished replying to you and will only respond to what the thread is based on from here on in.

I guess Spank. Well I have responded to the last of any of your posts. I am sorry if my posts are seen as they are to you. But guess what this yank is what he is and not changing for you or any one here
I am not seen as such on any of the american forms I visit so maybe it is a canadian thing and others here will offer a hug I'm not

The question I guess is with my past do I help more than I piss off like you spank when vintage shotguns are the topic. I know the answer to that one just from Pm's
I still learn all the time from guys that have the experience and knowledge like struff55, madtrapper, rod, browning gold etc etc but there is not a lot of us left IMO that are still all in with the vintage stuff and we are getting old
 
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The code on the receiver and barrel will nail it down
Fix the link
http://w ww.leeroysramblings.com/Gun%20Articles/remington_barrel_date_code.html

Cheers

So the date code years are a little confusing, is my shotgun made in June 1961 or 1987?

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I used a brake hone to open a early 16 bore Wing master to about IMP MOD. Took it out to ambush some geese off of a nearby lake with a good friend. We took up our respective ambush points and they flew close enough to me to shoot. I fired one shot and dropped the lead goose dead right there. The range was near 50 yards and several pellets hit the bird with the best one hitting him in the cheek piece. My buddy seen the bird fall but could not see me for trees. The load was a handloaded #4 steel shot @1450 fps. IF a person is able to handload steel for the 16 the old girl becomes a formidable killer on waterfowl. Bismuth (spendy) is a viable option also. Over the decoys Federal Steel in the 16 works just fine.

Darryl
 
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