What's a 16 gauge wingmaster worth.

The fore stock on the gun in the pic puts it around 1959. In fact Guns America has the identical gun and it is dated 1959. I have to admit I did not feel the white line spacer was factory but it appears to be as the Guns America has the same.
Darryl
 
madtrapper143 said:
The fore stock on the gun in the pic puts it around 1959. In fact Guns America has the identical gun and it is dated 1959. I have to admit I did not feel the white line spacer was factory but it appears to be as the Guns America has the same.
Darryl
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I don't know about the ones made in the 50's if there was more hand fitting of parts but they sure are the smoothest wingmasters I own. That one I got from you I think I could look at it and it would cycle
Cheers
 
To me there isn’t enough of a void to fill between a 20 and 12 to make owning a 16 viable. In standard 2 3/4” loadings there is only 1/4oz of shot separating the 20(7/8oz) from the 12(1 1/8oz). The 1 1/16 standard loading of the 16 ga offers next to nothing except a premium price tag for a very few pellets gain.
 
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the spank said:
To me there isn’t enough of a void to fill between a 20 and 12 to make owning a 16 viable. In standard 2 3/4” loadings there is only 1/4oz of shot separating the 20(7/8oz) from the 12(1 1/8oz). The 1 1/16 standard loading of the 16 ga offers next to nothing except a premium price tag for a very few pellets gain.
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This is a very common and somewhat justified argument against the 16 gauge. But if you listen to 16 bore advocates, their reasoning on the 16 is rarely technical but rather ascetics. The lore, the tradition and the exclusiveness of the cartridge and guns chambered for it make it an easy choice for some. I happen to be in that stable of thought. I know the 16 can't stand up to a 12. I know the 3" 20 bore can handle 1 1/4 oz. of shot (how well can be argued). But I also know that if I do my part the 16 will handle all of the chores I ask of it. I have taken almost all species North American waterfowl (in the Central and Mississippi flyways), black bear, white tailed deer and a lot of furred small game to boot all with the old 16 bore. Long may it live. P.S. I do own 12 bores and a 10 bore for the really heavy lifting.

Darryl
 
the spank said:
To me there isn’t enough of a void to fill between a 20 and 12 to make owning a 16 viable. In standard 2 3/4” loadings there is only 1/4oz of shot separating the 20(7/8oz) from the 12(1 1/8oz). The 1 1/16 standard loading of the 16 ga offers next to nothing except a premium price tag for a very few pellets gain.
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Take your grandfathers 16ga model 21 hunting as he did with you as a young boy sit on that same big rock and fire a couple of old paper imperials, give them a sniff and put a price or value on that
Personally I could not careless if anyone thinks it is viable, we all have our reasons for keeping them alive . I have lots of them in all makes and models yes even a model 12 and will never part with any of my remianing 16ga except the one 1100 I returned to it's original owner here where it belonged
There is no premium price tag when one has been reloading the 16ga since the mid 60's and most 16ga guys I know reload their own
I can shoot what ever gauge I want here with my collection but keep grabbing a 16 time and time again

Cheers
 
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Back in the day I would shoot a 16 ga model 12 one had a full and one had a mod choke used them both on waterfowl with lead shot and the ducks and geese would fall like rain with a 1 1/8 oz of no 4 shot . But that was then and this is now still use them with bismuth works very well but the lead still out performs bismuth . Point being the 12 ga really wasn't need to shoot big honkers
 
3macs1 said:
Take your grandfathers 16ga model 21 hunting as he did with you as a young boy sit on that same big rock and fire a couple of old paper imperials, give them a sniff and put a price or value on that
Personally I could not careless if anyone thinks it is viable, we all have our reasons for keeping them alive . I have lots of them in all makes and models yes even a model 12 and will never part with any of my remianing 16ga except the one 1100 I returned to it's original owner here where it belonged
There is no premium price tag when one has been reloading the 16ga since the mid 60's and most 16ga guys I know reload their own
I can shoot what ever gauge I want here with my collection but keep grabbing a 16 time and time again

Cheers
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Well my grandfather never owned a model 21. He owned an Iver Johnson Champion 410 that he shot grouse with using Imperial 3” paper shells loaded with #6 shot. That was the extent of “shotgunning” by my grandfather. I sometimes feel sorry for you 3Macs1 being stuck in your time warp surrounded by mountains of empty hulls and components and always having to extole the virtues of the prowess you claim by your experience at having owned it all and loading more than anyone on cgn. Sorry buddy but your record needle keeps sticking on the same scratch in the same record you’ve been playing since 1960. Surely even you must be tired of hearing it over and over too?
 
Theres plenty of reason to shoot 16 in my opinion. #1 being the number of nice old european guns being imported #2 cheap to shoot (if you reload) 3 It makes for a practical load on almost any game
 
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Well my grandfather never owned a model 21. He owned an Iver Johnson Champion 410 that he shot grouse with using Imperial 3” paper shells loaded with #6 shot. That was the extent of “shotgunning” by my grandfather. I sometimes feel sorry for you 3Macs1 being stuck in your time warp surrounded by mountains of empty hulls and components and always having to extole the virtues of the prowess you claim by your experience at having owned it all and loading more than anyone on cgn. Sorry buddy but your record needle keeps sticking on the same scratch in the same record you’ve been playing since 1960. Surely even you must be tired of hearing it over and over too?
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Well mine did so is that a bad thing to you and I grew up with my dad owning a gun shop so I am sorry I was exposed to more than the average bear. It is actually you I am getting a bit tired of hearing lately constantly beating on my posts especially remington ones and your general negativity if someone doesn't agree with you etc. Sure you may have been an excellent trap shooter and I respect that but a died in the wool shotgunner as I am you are not.
Don't feel sorry for me I am quite happy in my time warp. Never did I say I owned more than anyone and I could not careless how others live their lives perhaps maybe you are a bit envious are you
One thing I don't do is BS and what I say I have done or have is real. One thing I know for sure as far as reloading shotgun here I can go head to head with anyone here. Few I know for sure are reloading all gauges from 410 to 10ga in lead and non tox
Have to run mrs wants to go for a drive in one of my 60's time warps that never gets old to us
Have a good one
 
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the spank said:
Ya I know but it’s the same story over and over and over.....it’s gotten old or I’m in a cranky mood tonight or something?
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Humm well that is the first time I have ever even posted that my grandfather first took me hunting with his model 21 16ga which is the reason I bought a new 16ga wingmaster as my first gun
So where is it the same story over and over. Perhaps you can put me on ignore and that will help you.You missed the point of the post regardless it is not the gun but the entire experience. Takes me back as if my grandfather is still sitting on the rock with me smelling the old 16ga Imperials. You could have done that also with your 410
Man I sure read you wrong here in the past . In fact lately coming across as either an idiot or someone starting to lose it
Place me on ignore PLEASE so you don't listen to my old songs over and over I am sorry I am not making new ones any more. My health took care of that
 
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3macs1 said:
Humm well that is the first time I have ever even posted that my grandfather first took me hunting with his model 21 16ga which is the reason I bought a new 16ga wingmaster as my first gun
So where is it the same story over and over. Perhaps you can put me on ignore and that will help you.You missed the point of the post regardless it is not the gun but the entire experience. Takes me back as if my grandfather is still sitting on the rock with me smelling the old 16ga Imperials. You could have done that also with your 410
Man I sure read you wrong here in the past . In fact lately coming across as either an idiot or someone starting to lose it
Place me on ignore PLEASE so you don't listen to my old songs over and over I am sorry I am not making new ones any more. My health took care of that
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Well you’re a bit confused there old timer. I never responded to your post on here. I expressed my opinion on the 16 ga shotshell and it was you who jumped at me for my post with your “I could care less if anyone thinks the 16 is viable” blah blah blah in your confrontational way should anyone have an opinion that doesn’t match your own. I guess I should have just chosen to ignore your post rather than reply. And no I won’t put you on ignore, I’m not stooping to your level of tolerance, name calling and chest pounding challenges.
Anyways this thread isn’t about you so I am finished replying to you and will only respond to what the thread is based on from here on in.
 
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Must every thread on this site go 20 miles off topic to the left and end up as some non related bicker fest?

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