What's a good holster for my wife?

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My wife has a 9mm Norinco semi-auto pistol, and being that we live in a fairly rural area, yet have had numerous people oddly just showing up to "use the phone", and being that we have 6 little ones, she (actually we both would feel better her having it handy) wants to have the gun with her throughout the day around the house while I'm at work, cuz ya never know. What's a good holster for her to get? We only have just recently purchased our first handguns, and know very little. She would rather not have a waist/belt mounted holster. Any suggestions?:confused:
 
If you read the regulations on storage of restricted firearms you'll find they list all of the holsters she can use to carry a pistol around with her. But I'll copy it out for you here:




















There you go.
 
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Yes, basically. The regulations concerning restricted class firearms are intended to not allow anyone to be carrying a loaded handgun for self defence even in their own home, (and if you think you need to be carrying a handgun on your person for self-defence, you'd want it loaded, right?). To be allowed to do so one would have to convince the authorities to issue an Authorisation To Carry (ATC), which they are generally loathe to grant. Some people think they can interpret the regulations on storage to allow enough leeway to keep a pistol more handy and available than locked in a safe, e.g. "I just happened to be cleaning it and also happened to have some ammo with me when I was attacked..." But I think that would be a bit of a red flag to most police and prosecutors if it ever got used.

If you think she needs a firearm to be that handy around the house, consider keeping a shotgun out of sight on a shelf or piece of furniture high enough to be out of the kids reach and low enough for her. She can keep some ammo on her person and the doors locked and bolted so an intruder has to show clear intent trying to break in so she knows it's a case for going for the shotgun. But think long and hard if you go down this road - with children around their safety is entirely dependent on ensuring there is absolutely no ammo available except what is in your wife's pockets under her constant control - if she ever forgets, the potential is created for tragedy that can destroy your family just as surely as any that walks in from outside.
 
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There are lots of armed people walking around Toronto. To them, the advantages of being armed with a concealed handgun outweigh the penalties they may incur if they are ever caught.

Tell me, is there a gang in the area your wife could join?
 
If you think she needs a firearm to be that handy around the house, consider keeping a shotgun out of sight on a shelf or piece of furniture high enough to be out of the kids reach and low enough for her.
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In order to be compliant, it would have to be rendered inoperable eg. combination trigger lock.
 
armedpilgrim said:
My wife has a 9mm Norinco semi-auto pistol, and being that we live in a fairly rural area, yet have had numerous people oddly just showing up to "use the phone", and being that we have 6 little ones, she (actually we both would feel better her having it handy) wants to have the gun with her throughout the day around the house while I'm at work, cuz ya never know. What's a good holster for her to get? We only have just recently purchased our first handguns, and know very little. She would rather not have a waist/belt mounted holster. Any suggestions?:confused:
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These threads address your question.
Can you CCW (unloaded) in your home?
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=133642

House Gun - How, Legally?
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43957

Assuming that she is licensed, she could carry - within the home only - in a holster on her person, providing that the firearm is unloaded. A loaded magazine could be carried close at hand, in a pouch or pocket, and on her person. Any holster might be suitable but, for a host of reasons, a concealment holster might be more preferable and more to her advantage; see the CCW threads*, in particular, for specific recommendations.
N.B.: She could not ever relinquish control of the firearm to anyone not licensed. She could not leave your home without first securing the firearm. She could not load the firearm without lawful excuse.

If she does not wish to carry on her person, she could keep the unloaded firearm in a conveniently-located quick-access vault or safe. A loaded magazine could be kept in the same vault or safe, provided that the firearm is unloaded and the firearm and magazine are not touching each other.
N.B.: The vault or safe could not ever be accessible to anyone not licensed. The firearm could not be loaded without lawful excuse.

CCW Discussion
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=141


For additional legal references, see the National Firearms Association (NFA) website.
 
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A holster for your wife? Wouldn't that be uncomfortable, to say the least?






Well someone had to say it... :D
 
Food for thought, thanks everyone. We'll do more research. I do not like laws that can possibly put people at risk, but what do I do? Moving is not an option, I won't let potential weirdos chase me from my farm, know what I mean? We're looking into what it would take to get her an ATC, but by the looks of it, it's almost impossible. We are friends with a fellow who is certified to do IDPA training, and he's offered to do my wife's training free of charge.:) We're hoping to use this as a reason for the CFO to not deny her (well, it's worth a try:rolleyes:). Funny, they'll issue one to protect money and valuables, (ie: Brinks guard) but not to protect children (ie: more than precious human life). There's something really wrong with that!
 
Fact: The ATC's issued to Brinks guards are for "protection of life"; the money is "insured" and is not worth getting shot over.

I carry "legally". I own a Norc NZ-85 9mm pistol. It is HEAVY and I would not wnat to carry it all day long. If you intend to carry, go tupperware, seeing as we can't own 12-6 snubbies or .32ACP or .25ACP's. M&P, Glock, Springfield all make a very reliable "tupperware" pistol which can be carried all day long without fatigue.

As for choice of holsters, it is very dependant upon body shape and what kind of activities you normally partake in. This will influence IWB, OWB, ankle, shoulder, fanny pack holsters etc...

As for the legality of carrying a loaded pistol in the house, all I can say is that when I posed this quetion to the Quebec CFO, his reply was, "I don't know, I would have to charge you and then have a judge decide on the legality of it." I admitted to the CFO that I "carried" locked and loaded in my home, I asked if he was going to "charge me", he declined!

I do NOT encourage anyone to intentionally break any laws. As a father and a husband, I will do whatever I must to ensure the safety of my family, irregardless of whatever the CFO, the Pope, The Queen, God, Jesus or Budda, may say or think.

Do however make certain that when you leave the home, you must comply with "safe storage" rules, meaning firearms UNLOADED and securely locked away.

It has been stated as fact that there are only three states in which you may find a firearm:
  1. In Storage; or
  2. In Transport; or
  3. In Use.
If your wife is to have access to restricted firearms, make certain she has an RPAL. My wife has her PAL and is working on her RPAL. Until such time as she holds an RPAL, she does not have access to my firearms when I leave the house, they are stored in my gun room and only I have access.

We will eventually win the right to carry concealed in Canada, we had it a few decades ago! Yes, up to the 60's we had CCW and blood did NOT flow in the streets in Canada.

Take Internet advice with a grain of salt. Whatever your final decision, keep it to yourself, I/we don't need/want to know about it!

If you haven't already done so, join us in the fight at www.canadacarry.org so that you can participate in getting ATC for all law-abiding Canadians.
 
I too live on a farm. If there is a problem it will up to us to defend ouselves in real time.

Your wife's risk reminds me of a prospector's risk re a bear. The gun on the ATV won't help. Only the gun within reach as the attack starts is of use. If I had to arm my wife, I would give her a little 25 acp pistol to put in her pocket. Out of sight at all times.

Is shooting allowed on your farm. Ours is zoned agricultural and the by-laws state that shooting is allowed. I have not reviewsd the gun laws for ten years, but thre used to be a provision that a firearm could be kept at hand for varmint use, so long as it is not loaded.

If that law is still there, you could have a 22 on a shelf with a loaded magazine handy somewhere else. Or maybe a SKS and a loaded stripper clip.

It is sad to think that we would have to face legal problems if we used deadly force to protect ourselves. Of course, a front end loader might solved that problem...
 
Shooting is allowed on the farm when "critters" are a danger to livestock, etc., and we always keep a .22 rifle fairly handy, (we have cougars nearby), but the laws here are fuzzy about that because there is a ban on shooting "single projectiles" within the valley here, and the way it's worded It doesn't say this exclusively regarding hunting. We also get bears out in the cornfields, and for these reasons, my wifealways has access to my hunting rifles, and she's a good shot. I agree, if there is a moment where she needs to defend herself or our children, it's going to last only seconds, so we are trying to carefully plan and mitigate the risk. Thank you Griffoneur, very informative. My wife actually recently joined Canadacarry, and we love that site, too. We are very interested in how we can help the cause. Recently we did some filming with Katie M., for her "firearmsfacts" on youtube, and it was really awesome to meet a young lady so dedicated to the cause. We are still fairly new to the battle, and wanting to soak up as much info as possible. These forums are invaluable resources, and thankful for everyones input.:D
 
A lot of people have heard of the rougher parts of Surrey and the Downtown Eastside in Vancouver...but my wife was a clinical counsellor and family therapist out in Chilliwack for a few years, and she's well aware of the rough parts of town. Not a lot of people think that a nice smaller community like Chilliwack has a dark side, but I've heard of it.

Good luck.
 
All of us learn from our experiences (mistakes). A common mistake we have all made is finding our selves somewhere and wishing we had not left our Gortex coat at home, etc.

So, if we own something, we learn to think about taking it if there is a chance it might be needed. If we own firearms, then a gun gets added to the list of possible things to take.

When you own a firearm and if something happens in the neighbourhood that makes you consider family security, then you have to consider an option that non-firearm owners don’t have.

The first thing to consider is the legalities. If push comes to shove, then shooting a bad guy is better than the other options. “Better to be judged by 12 then carried by 6.” The legality I worry about is what happens if I get a surprise inspection? I don’t want to get in a pissing contest over improper storage with the law. I would lose.

I have kept a 22 out of the locker and have it stored out of sight on top of a cabinet handy to where I spend the day. A loaded magazine is handy in the same room. I am relying on a regulation that said rural owners could keep a gun handy for varmint control. I have shot 21 raccoons to date within 25 feet of the house. One had my spaniel pup cornered. Pup was terrified. I hope that law is still there.

Your situation is complicated by kids. A loaded gun is totally incompatible with kids. I don’t know about you, but I played with dad’s guns long before he knew. I can see why the wife would have to carry the gun. Putting it down or hiding it is not an option with kids.

The other problem is that if she ever needed it, she would need it within a second or two. Having it stashed in one room would not help much.

I visited a friend in down town Toronto yesterday. He found an old set of golf clubs and has stashed one by the front and back door and has propped a club in the corner of many rooms. He is not a gun owner, but has tried to make sure he or his wife has a chance to fight back, if needed.

If I wanted my wife to carry 100% of the time, in the house, I think I would give her a small double action 25 ACP to carry in her right pocket. Maybe with a piece of tape to keep crap out of the muzzle.

To answer your question about a holster, maybe a belt holster with the pistol at the small of her back? A left handed holster worn at the back gives good access to a right handed person reaching behind. She would have to avoid tucking in her shirt, to keep it out of sight. A 5 shot snub nose 38Spl revolver would be easy to draw and use.

A lot of rural people have a big nasty-looking dog. One that barks and growls at strangers is a deterrent and early warning system. We had such a dog for years. It slept outside, even in the winter. Sometimes we got phone calls from a tradesman in the driveway, asking us to call off the dog.

A dog might be the best compromise.
 
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