For a long time wolverines has had eagle arms (Armalite) lowers for sale. These are forged and currently 9$ less (220$) then a stag yet I never see them mentioned when someone asks "what lower should I get"... Is there something I am missing?
Whats all the fuss about stag? cmmg?
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Armalite/Eagle are strictly civilian manufacturers. STAG's parent company CMT (Continental Machine & Tool) is actually a sub-contractor for Colt/military contracts. As a result, they provide many of the parts that are used in US military M16/M4 rifles, thus they're true "mil-spec".
CMT finally decided to produce rifles for the civilian market, without an appreciable decrease in quality as evidenced in those they helped create for the US military & thus STAG ARMS was born. That's why STAG still offers a civilian rifle with MPI barrels, bolts, etc... Along with mil-spec hard anodizing, etc...things that are generally only available on two other rifles, Colt & LMT.
As a result, many AR aficionados place CMT/STAG in the "upper tier" of AR manufacturers, along with Colt & LMT. AFAIK, FN hasn't released any ARs/Lowers to the civilian market, but as a military contractor, I'd say you'd have to put their name in the top tier as well.
Armalite, DPMS, Bushmaster, etc... are generally considered to be second-tier manufacturers, while others like Olympic, DoubleStar, & other small AR assemblers make up a third tier.
That isn't to say you won't find a STAG with a problem. There have been a couple of rifles released with less than perfect anodizing (thin in places) and there were some with canted FSB, however, ARMSEAST (Walt) has stepped up and immediately fixed or replaced any problem/issue that was brought to their attention.
I own a couple and they're every bit as good as any of my Colt or LMT rifles. If you track the Black Rifle Exchange, you'll notice that there are very few STAG rifles/lowers offered for sale there. Says something about the quality and value their owners place on them, 'cause I know Walt has sold a crap load of STAG's, and it would blow your mind just how fast each shipment of stripped lowers sells out.
However, its each to his own. I'm not knocking any other brand and there are tons of absolutely stellar rifles made by many other manufacturers. Ultimately its up to you to decide which rifle best suits your own personal needs and budget.
CMT finally decided to produce rifles for the civilian market, without an appreciable decrease in quality as evidenced in those they helped create for the US military & thus STAG ARMS was born. That's why STAG still offers a civilian rifle with MPI barrels, bolts, etc... Along with mil-spec hard anodizing, etc...things that are generally only available on two other rifles, Colt & LMT.
As a result, many AR aficionados place CMT/STAG in the "upper tier" of AR manufacturers, along with Colt & LMT. AFAIK, FN hasn't released any ARs/Lowers to the civilian market, but as a military contractor, I'd say you'd have to put their name in the top tier as well.
Armalite, DPMS, Bushmaster, etc... are generally considered to be second-tier manufacturers, while others like Olympic, DoubleStar, & other small AR assemblers make up a third tier.
That isn't to say you won't find a STAG with a problem. There have been a couple of rifles released with less than perfect anodizing (thin in places) and there were some with canted FSB, however, ARMSEAST (Walt) has stepped up and immediately fixed or replaced any problem/issue that was brought to their attention.
I own a couple and they're every bit as good as any of my Colt or LMT rifles. If you track the Black Rifle Exchange, you'll notice that there are very few STAG rifles/lowers offered for sale there. Says something about the quality and value their owners place on them, 'cause I know Walt has sold a crap load of STAG's, and it would blow your mind just how fast each shipment of stripped lowers sells out.
However, its each to his own. I'm not knocking any other brand and there are tons of absolutely stellar rifles made by many other manufacturers. Ultimately its up to you to decide which rifle best suits your own personal needs and budget.
wow well summed up xman, I just finished reading this thread on arfcom as well http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=12&t=318113 very good info
Stag does indeed sound very good now, if only they had a cooler animal rollmarked onto them...
Stag does indeed sound very good now, if only they had a cooler animal rollmarked onto them...
I am no AR expert...but have read enough that that *term "mil-spec" dosen't mean much. And when you are a sub-contracted to the actual holder of the military contract (Colt), that does not make you a first tier supplier (you are actaully nothing).
Stag/CMT are strictly civillian as well. Neither of them have military contracts.
It is just a case of people wishing their Stag...which they link to CMT...which they link to Colt..which they link to the Military is somehow better than the others...
Colt doesn't produce all their parts in house. They purchase massive quantities of parts from sub-contractors who MUST follow the military-specifications as set out in the contract signed by Colt and related contracts signed between CMT & Colt. That is where the term "mil-spec" came from. Since those specifications are in the public forum, any civilian company can choose to build their products to meet or exceed those specifications as set out in the military specifications for said contract. I don't know too many guys who wouldn't rank CMT/STAG in the upper tier of AR manufacturers. In fact, CMT is also the primary contractor/provider for parts for many well known civilian AR builders including S&W, RRA, etc...
My Stag is in fact "milspec". All rails, buffer tube threading, etc are made to meet military standards and will take all attachments made for the AR series of rifles. As for my issued C7a2, it is not "milspec". Considering it is made on Colt dies, it makes you wonder what exactly they are using to measure the parts. BUIS's and Larue parts will not fit on the railed upper and must be clearanced to fit into the gaps on the rail. Of course, it is easier to file the gaps out rather than ruining a perfectly good Larue product.
YMMV,
Stick with the Stag.
Hoddie
YMMV,
Stick with the Stag.
Hoddie
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If you are refering to the C7s rail, you should be aware that the Canadian version pre-dates the US M.1913 Picatinny rail by a good margin.
Both are modified Weaver based rails at the end of the day.
Ok im a sucker, spoke to walt (awesome guy) and the stag is ordered...I needed a new lower for my noveske upper and figured I might as well get the best for the best. I wouldnt mind getting an LMT since theres so much hype behind them but from what I've read on arfcom the stags are much nicer in terms of finishing (ie burrs, flash, bevels etc...)
I personally cant justify twice the price for something that isnt twice the quality just because I dont like a deer rollmark
I personally cant justify twice the price for something that isnt twice the quality just because I dont like a deer rollmark
wow well summed up xman, I just finished reading this thread on arfcom as well http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=12&t=318113 very good info
Stag does indeed sound very good now, if only they had a cooler animal rollmarked onto them...
could be worse ...lets say a skunk !!!
I have Stag, bushmaster and Colt lowers. I must say Stag is the nicest cosmetically. I have a LMT lower on order - so I will report back in a month or two. But Again, function-wise they are all the same - unless you are using plastic mag like Orlite then the bevel around the mag-well becomes important.
Also, I would rather have the deer head than the stupid snake, but the horsey looks the nicest. THe only thing that concerns is the fire control parts. People don't seem to talk too much about the proper hardness of these parts.
Also, I would rather have the deer head than the stupid snake, but the horsey looks the nicest. THe only thing that concerns is the fire control parts. People don't seem to talk too much about the proper hardness of these parts.
Some stag vs. LMT pics are in order!
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