whats it worth thread...a little different.. Civil war sword and 1860M Colt army

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a really nice civil war sword AMES with US and G.W.S. the AMES is a bit faded and so is the 1864 date but the sword is in great condition and the grip still has its wire ...the scabbard is missingone hanger and has a couple small dents and a bit of pitting over all a real nice sword ...
The Colt is 44 cal made in Hartford and is matching tho the number on the cylinder is very faint you can read a few numbers ...but as you can see its had a hard life but the barrel is very good and the lockup is tight and trigger crisp the grip has been nicely repaired years ago ..i posted this on the black powder section but nobody responded
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One of my dream is grab a civil war saber like this one.

Nice piece you got their. How much did you paid for the sword?
 
36hamon,

Trying to determine the value of U.S. Civil War stuff in Canada is tough---a totally different market.

The value of a Civil War sword will be dependant on the clarity of the markings, the manufacturer, the date and the condition.

Certain manufacturer marked swords will command more. (i.e Ames.)

Lack of any scabbard parts will affect value.

As far as the Model 1860 Colt Army is concerned---not much value there for a collector.
No finish—no markings---some ‘bubba’ did a job on this pistol.

If someone wants it for a shooter---that is something else----in that case I have no idea what it is worth.

I think that your sword is a Model 1860 saber, manufactured in 1864

The photos below show similar pieces with their respective condition.

The Model 1860 Ames saber shown below I paid $1,000 for in 2010 at a local gun show in Canada--- probably too much!
(Ames is a prefered manufacturer)

The Model 1860 Colt Army revolver shown below is probably worth quite a lot in the U.S.----I have no idea in Canada.

The Model 1860 Ames saber is dated 1863.



The markings.







A Model 1860 Colt Army revolver in very decent condition.



I paid $1,557 USD for this Model 1840 saber which is a rare 1845 date the first year of Ames' production.
These sabers saw service during the Mexican /US War as well as the U.S Civil War for both the North and the South.
This sword is quite rare and in very good condition.

The markings;





Pommel markings;



 
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thanks for your help ..on the sword you can just make out the AMES but the rest of it is awesome the pics dont do it justice at all ..the colt is stamped with the hartford markings not the london address ....yep if someone had a spare cylinder the gun would be great ..still someone will buy it ..and the sword..
 
26hamon,

In your photo of the sword---the wire wrap and grip look to be in nice condition.
That is important to CW sword collectors.
Take the best photo of the Ames marking that you can----as well as any other markings including on the pommel.
 
the Ames mark is very faint on the pommel its marked JH ....the grip is in great condition as is the blade ...just the scabbard has an issue with the missing hanger...i will be taking it and other stuff i got to the ancaster gunshow in april
 
Like drm3m says, there is a lot of 'It depends.' involved. Not only condition, but proof it's not a reproduction.
Any U.S. Civil War stuff has far greater value Stateside than it'll ever have here. They think theirs was the only 19th Century civil war(Italy, for example, had one at about the same time as the U.S.) that ever happened and will pay a premium for real stuff.
 
Old collector swords from the USA can be purchased and shipped to Canada (and visa versa). That means ebay should be a very good guide off values for the 1860 Saber. Your "Ames" marking may appear light to you but that is how that marking is (it was rolled and not stamped). On ebay use the "completed" sword prices as your guide not the unsold swords.
I would guess around $600 - 700 USA funds (without q scabbard).

The pistol can also be sold in the USA but you would be best to use gunbroker.com. Again, cross border means nothing on an authentic 1860 percussion pistol. You will get your best price there also.
I am guessing about $900 - 1000. USA
 
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thx guys im an enfield guy these things just came with some other more of what im used to stuff ....could be an interesting gunshow at ancaster when i put this stuff on the table ..i have to wait for the antique letter from the rcmp hopefully ill have it in time
 
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