What's my Mosin PU worth

[05RAV]

Thanks everyone for the constructive insight. I'm going to share this link to view all the pictures for this Mosin, if it helps.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!ApQpSQbHbymU-S2q3ieVBLOdCtMq?e=APnBLD

That's a typical Molot refurb from 2012. The receiver is 1943 Izhevsk but it is force matched also typical of modern Molot refurbs. The stock is a Tula stock from the period 1943-44 with stamped sling slot inserts that were installed without screws (m9130.info). The stock looks heavily refurbished. So, the receiver and stock are mismatched which was done during refurbishing process at the Molot factory. In general, the rifle has a minimal collector's value or none. Perhaps, like you said it could be a good shooter, though. Having said that, it could have some value for non-collectors who would be willing to pay crazy prices at an auction or otherwise.

 

[milsurpo]

I would call it a typical PU refurb which means that it has been brought to spec with new and recycled parts. Many of these were equipped with used stocks from the other factory (my '43 Tula wears an Izhevsk stock) but it should be considered, like bolt, etc, to be matched from the refurb. Unlike SVT 40 Snipers (which were no longer to be Sniper rifles post refurb) the PU's were still considered Sniper rifles and the refurbed guns I've seen (and shot) were done to a high standard. They are a perfectly valid example of a PU Sniper and one could be included in a collection as an example of the type. My own refurbs PU's have displayed excellent metal to wood fit- every bit as good as the factory original examples I've owned. With all that being said, the refurbs have to be distinguished from factory originals (or so-called "light refurbs") for valuation.

milsurpo

 

[05RAV]

I would call it a typical PU refurb which means that it has been brought to spec with new and recycled parts. Many of these were equipped with used stocks from the other factory (my '43 Tula wears an Izhevsk stock) but it should be considered, like bolt, etc, to be matched from the refurb. Unlike SVT 40 Snipers (which were no longer to be Sniper rifles post refurb) the PU's were still considered Sniper rifles and the refurbed guns I've seen (and shot) were done to a high standard. They are a perfectly valid example of a PU Sniper and one could be included in a collection as an example of the type. My own refurbs PU's have displayed excellent metal to wood fit- every bit as good as the factory original examples I've owned. With all that being said, the refurbs have to be distinguished from factory originals (or so-called "light refurbs") for valuation.
milsurpo

Notice that the above refurb is a modern Molot refurb from 2012. It was not refurbished in any real arsenal during the WWII or after. This is a modern commercial production by Molot like thousands of other Mosins and SKSs they exported all over the world and still do (Molot-Oruzhiye OOO h ttps://fimegroup.com/molot/). IMHO I would never treat a Molot refurb as a collector item and never pay top dollars for it. Personally, I have a small collection of Mosins and all of them were refurbished in a Soviet (not Russian Federation) arsenal with all the parts period correct. They are collectible.

 

[dimon]

I would not entirely agree with the above statement about Molot "refurbs". Particularly 2012 sniper rifle import. There were numerous threads and discussions about this here and elsewhere in the world. These particular rifles came in a state of been extremely lightly refurbed, where everything was left as is, to heavily refurbed, as the rifle in question, and by numerous arsenals. From what I observed there were arsenals #2, #7 and possibly others. All exhibited legitimate sniper features. I firmly believe that these are NOT put together rifles by Molot. These were just commercially marked by Molot for export according to RF laws regarding military firearms. As of it's collectors value, well, you decide yourself. Personally, I'd rather keep it a good representation of a legitimate Soviet sniper rifle.
With all due respect to the above forum members I shall stand to what I know.

 

[PanzerSchreck]

Fellas, lets not get into a pissing match please. I just wanted an idea of what I have. I don't particularly care if it's worth a lot or not. I purchased it to shoot and that's what it does...quite well actually. If I decide to sell it I'll take what the market bears naturally. That's it! Thanks to all.

 

[05RAV]

I would not entirely agree with the above statement about Molot "refurbs". Particularly 2012 sniper rifle import. There were numerous threads and discussions about this here and elsewhere in the world. These particular rifles came in a state of been extremely lightly refurbed, where everything was left as is, to heavily refurbed, as the rifle in question, and by numerous arsenals. From what I observed there were arsenals #2, #7 and possibly others. All exhibited legitimate sniper features. I firmly believe that these are NOT put together rifles by Molot. These were just commercially marked by Molot for export according to RF laws regarding military firearms. As of it's collectors value, well, you decide yourself. Personally, I'd rather keep it a good representation of a legitimate Soviet sniper rifle.
With all due respect to the above forum members I shall stand to what I know.

Well, first and foremost, this particular sniper Mosin is badly refurbed. That crappy force matching by crossing the old scope number (pic#11) (earlier I said "SN" which is not) on the barrel shank makes me sad. Like I mentioned earlier, the stock and barreled action are mismatched (Tula and Izhevsk). The whiteish stenciled characters on the barrel (Pic#23) show that the rifle was refurbished at the Molot factory. The latter has been a military firearm factory for the past 80 years. They started in 1940 in Zagorsk. They were manufacturing the PPSh-41 submachine guns. When the Operation Barbarossa started the Molot plant was evacuated to Vyatskiya Polyana. Since the 1990's in the Russian Federation they started producing various types of firearms. For those refurbs they used a motley of parts from various bins.
The modern production you can see here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpZEicQZo5E. Interestingly, the Molot factory went bankrupt in 2012 but it's still producing firearms.
With regard to a "representation of a Soviet sniper rifle", it's O.K. with me but so what? I've been talking about the value of this Mosin sniper as a collector's item.

 

[dimon]

The whiteish stenciled characters on the barrel (Pic#23) show that the rifle was refurbished at the Molot factory.

These are laser etchings required by law of RF regarding military firearms. Either for export purposes or internal use.
Once again, with all due respect to you, please spare me this discussion. I would love to have a great chat with you over a beer/coffee/tea in person, if I ever visit Ontario or your visit beautiful NL.

 

[05RAV]

quote originally posted by 05RAV view post
the whiteish stenciled characters on the barrel (pic#23) show that the rifle was refurbished at the molot factory.

these are laser etchings required by law of rf regarding military firearms. Either for export purposes or internal use.

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[PanzerSchreck]

Someone was kind enough to provide me this link to Molot snipers since this company was mentioned. Seems I was correct in that the first scope assigned to the rifle was crossed off and the serial to it's new (and original OEM I think) scope stamped above it. In any event here's the link.

https://russian-mosin-nagant.com/sniper_exports.html

 

[05RAV]

Someone was kind enough to provide me this link to Molot snipers since this company was mentioned. Seems I was correct in that the first scope assigned to the rifle was crossed off and the serial to it's new (and original OEM I think) scope stamped above it. In any event here's the link.

https://russian-mosin-nagant.com/sniper_exports.html

Yes, you are correct.

 

[HuskyDude]

What's my Mosin PU worth...
Thought you wouldn't mind this pic...