I've seen the 710 in my hunt camp and yes they're made to fit a price range. The teflon sleeve will relax and work more smoothly after it's been shot a lot. I think they are made by savage for remington.That's my opinion.If your just buying a hunting rifle go for it.However,for the difference in price,for what a big game licence costs,for the price of your food,booze and everything else for a week or two of hunting, just get the rem 700.
what's so wrong with the Rem 710/770?
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where on earth did you hear this?
I heard it from a gun dealer a few years ago.I have no proof of this, but marketing is marketing and in the end it really wouldn't surprise me.Savage or anyone else could easily make a gun and trade name it to a brand name manufacturer. As i said , I have no proof.
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sounds like a lame way to malign Savage (not you, the dealer).
'the POS rifle that Remington is producing really isnt Remington's product at all, but a competitor's'.
'blame Savage'.
noone is to blame for the 710/770 but Remington - and the unfortunate, uninformed gun buyers that purchase them and keep the line profitable.
'the POS rifle that Remington is producing really isnt Remington's product at all, but a competitor's'.
'blame Savage'.
noone is to blame for the 710/770 but Remington - and the unfortunate, uninformed gun buyers that purchase them and keep the line profitable.
You're right. As I said i had no proof , but i wasn't trying to buy one either. In truth I've never even worked on one , which kinda tells me , that even price aside they didn't sell to well.They have that same pressed in barrel style that the traditions 209 tracker muzzle loader had. I had one of those and we'll let that sit right there.Now if you really want me to grind your a$$, these guys in my camp drive GMC extenda cab 4x4 3/4 ton trucks loaded to the MAX!!!They drink chivas regal scotch, their hunting clothes are the best money can buy, they might shoot their 710's twice, before deer season. They say who would spend $1200.00 for a rifle and scope!!Damn Fudds!!! Don't get me started!!
LOl but they dont drink single malt.
I don't drink scotch. Is single malt better? These guys are the best.They're my friends , but i can't seem to get through to them that we owe it to the deer for quick clean kills. A buddy's dad died a couple of years ago. His son sold his model 700 a 1970s'ish rifle chambered in .30-06, with a hard case ,sling, and leupold 3x9-40 scope, and 4 boxes of rem. 180 gr. soft point core lokt.The price ? $425.00.One guy in my camp had not bought his 710 yet.He could have had this unit . Did he ? NO He saved $45.00. Never mind.I bought it instead. Another gun i didn't need!!! Have a single malt on me!!!
I'm not a fan of the 710/770 but the pressed in barrel in a non-issue because the bolt locks to the barrel itself, not to the action the barrel is pressed in to. This is actually not a bad idea.
Not all the ideas in the 710/770 design are bad, just the execution.
They aren't made by Savage. It was designed by Remington and they are made by Remington employees in a Remington factory.
What's bad about them is that they are Remington's answer to the Savage package rifles and they aren't as good as the Savages and the MSRP is higher. Remington didn't want to risk devaluing the 700's image by offering a basic version for a lower price, so they decided to try to give them less value for their money. The target market for the 710/770 is the new hunter who is least likely to know better.
Savage persisted in giving more, and then brought out the Stevens 200, too. (And Mossberg has chimed in with their ATR100. Have beginners and those on a tight budget ever had it better?!)
Remington has too much invested in the 710/770 to ever call it a failure, but they did effectively admit their 700s are overpriced when they introduced the 700SPS.
They aren't made by Savage. It was designed by Remington and they are made by Remington employees in a Remington factory.
What's bad about them is that they are Remington's answer to the Savage package rifles and they aren't as good as the Savages and the MSRP is higher. Remington didn't want to risk devaluing the 700's image by offering a basic version for a lower price, so they decided to try to give them less value for their money. The target market for the 710/770 is the new hunter who is least likely to know better.
Savage persisted in giving more, and then brought out the Stevens 200, too. (And Mossberg has chimed in with their ATR100. Have beginners and those on a tight budget ever had it better?!)
Remington has too much invested in the 710/770 to ever call it a failure, but they did effectively admit their 700s are overpriced when they introduced the 700SPS.
An excellent design that deserved its commercial success and its acceptance for decades as the industry benchmark of bolt-action mass-produced hunting rifles. But that success bred complacency and even arrogance at Remington. Other makers caught up with designs that perform at least as well at prices that made them better value than the 700.
Yes you are correct, but i don't know that i would say remington got complacent or arrogant.They are in business and if the average retail price of a 700 could hold up in the market, then you really can't blame them. But you are correct that other manufacturers offer guns that are equal to the 700
You're absolutely right but I would bet that at least 90% of the sporting rifles sold will never be rebarrelled.
And that is a darned good reason. But as of late there's even more to it that that. Rumour has it that Remingon has screwed their employees out of their retirement funds. These discruntled employees have taken it upon themselves to fudge around so to speak with certain parts of production. In fact, rumour has it that certain rifles are incorrectly "caliber" stamped. To me. just another reason to stay away from Remington Arms, they never did like us Canucks anyways.
Mr. Friendly, you could buy better than the 710 or 770. Be a little patient and save up a few more bucks, get the 700. You will have a good and functioning rifle for many years to come. If you want a Remington, that is.
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the Savage 111FCXP3 package costs the exact same as the Remington 770 package.
or you could put a Stevens 200 together like this:
$290 - Stevens 200
$135 - Bushnell Legend 2-7x32mm
$30 - Burris Zee Rings & weaver mounts
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$455
will cost you a little more, but the rings and scope are far superior to what you get in either package rifle. the Bushnell Sportview and the Simmons 8-point on either of these packages are complete junk bottom-of-the-line scopes that i wouldnt pay $50 for, mounted in bottom-of-the-line aluminum rings.
