What's the deal with .357 Win 94s?

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What's the deal with .357 / .38 Special Win 94s?

By this I mean are they as unrealible in terms of feeding and function and plagued with constant jams as everyone claims?

If this is the case can a 'smithy smooth out these issues?

I'd like to consider one at some point but these issues of unreliabily concern me.

advice?

Thanks :)
 
They were designed around a longer cartridge, the 30-30. They jam if you are into cowboy action speed shooting etc.
If you are the average guy, you'll likely not notice a thing.
If you are into cowboy, look at the rifles designed for pistol length cartridges.
 
John Y Cannuck said:
They were designed around a longer cartridge, the 30-30. They jam if you are into cowboy action speed shooting etc.
If you are the average guy, you'll likely not notice a thing.
If you are into cowboy, look at the rifles designed for pistol length cartridges.


can these issues be overcome by a 'smithy or a "kit" of some sort?
 
Talk to Garand on this board, I know he's had both a variety of Marlin Browning, and Winchester Levers in .357, and he can tell you the in's and outs of them.
 
I have read a bit about the rossi hartford 1892's,and I cant find a darned place to buy one in canada yet!!.Heard they are nice.A friend of mine has a win 94 trapper in 45 colt and he can shoot it darned fast but it does jam up once in a while.
 
dragoon7214 said:
Talk to Garand on this board, I know he's had both a variety of Marlin Browning, and Winchester Levers in .357, and he can tell you the in's and outs of them.

I had a Browning B-92 in .357 Mag. Very nice rifle, especially with rounds loaded with .357 Mag brass. However, if you used .38 Special brass & 'short stroked' it, especially when trying to shoot fast in Cowboy Action, it would 'jam' and you'd be out of that stage. :(

Got myself a little Winchester '94 AE [angle eject] trapper length [16" barrel] in .357 and it is slick as $h!t with both .357's +/or .38 Specials. :D

Maybe I just got a good one? :confused:
 
I've been in contact with three of what I would call the "newer" 357 in mod 94,one had a cross bolt, one had a tang safety, and other was newer that both, I have personaly been involved in getting the first two to work with great success, and the third is owned by a friend that is supposed to arrived today, and bring it to get fixed.

As for the problems with the feeding..... first, make sure (this is for reloaders) make sure the crimp is done well and is completely smooth, second, on the inside end of the lever there is a small tab that is supposed to hold the next round in the tube mag while the first is fed to the barrel, these later modles will occasionaly let a round slip past ending up under the rap you can't close the action and it takes upward of half hour to get it out.

To fix this, get to the that short tab, extend it very very slightly I did it to much the first time and couldn't get any rounds out!! anyway extent it only slightly and that will fix that problem

The second problem that I've seen with the same guns has been the rounds stovepiping or jaming from what appears to be the shorter rounds not feeding through the design, I had two of these to compare, one that did it and the other that did not, in the end I found that the one that was jaming had a weaker spring that lifted the ramp from which the round was slid into the chamber. I took the spring out over bent it a small amount with my fingers and put it back it, never had a jam since. We use this rifles in situations that do get dangerous at time, and fast shooting occurs regularly, (at close range) and we've not had a problem. Anyway, probably way more than anyone wanted to hear, but we went through some stress thinking we owned guns that were no good to our cause, but it with only a little quicking they are flawless.

Anyone want more details P message me.
 
Virtually everyone has a horror story about 1 or more firearms that they have owned. He's my lever horror story;

In '94 I was looking for a lever in .357 because I was doing alot of .357 shooting out of my M66 and wanted a cheap and easy round that I could reload in abundance. After looking around for about 6-8 months I couldn't find one, I even phoned Winchester! The nice lady said that they didn't have enough calls to start manufacturing them again. Remember this was before Cowboy Action got bigger.

I finally gave up on .357 and found a Winchester Wrangler in .44 Magnum. Shades of John Wayne that large loop lever was kewl! Little did I realize that with 2 years, I'd start shooting Cowboy Action. I did lots of testing and came up 7.2 grains of Unique pushing a 240 grain LSWC bullet as an accurate target load.

Within the first 20 rds down range, the pot metal feed ramp broke. Off for warranty work! Eight months later I get the rifle back. After every 50 rds the rear sight elevator would fall off. So we have to install a Williams rear sight! Shooting again after every 50 rds the screws in the receiver would work loose. Locktite!! After 1,500 rds the tubular magazine spring gave up the ghost! Wolfe Gunsprings to the rescue. After this the Lever Link broke, 3 months and 5 nasty letters later, Winchester told me they would sell me the part but without warranty! They wanted me to send the gun to the warranty centre again!

That was the last straw, I found a sucker to buy the Winchester and bought a Marlin M1894S, after 8,000 rds through it, it broke the front firing pin, I replaced it at about $10.00 cost and 20 minutes work. Then approx 1,500 rds later the rear portion of the firing pin broke, so I ordered a new 1 piece firing pin from "Evil Roy" in Colorado. No problems so far. I love the quality Marlin builds in. My Wrangler was one of 4 Wranglers in town with the same problems at this time.

I also have a 1906 mfg Winchester M92 in .44 mag that I swear by, that action is as smooth as butter. I am now equipped to shoot Cowboy Action in both .44 and .357 calibers and my choice of rifle is the Browning B92 in .357. The action is as slick as my M92's is. The B92 does show it appreciates .357 brass over .38 special brass though. Post 64 Winchester carbines are simply garbage and won't stand up to hard work that Cowboy Action demands. You don't have to believe me, just go to a large match and see the percentage of people that are using newer Winchesters.
 
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Originally Posted by NAA

Got myself a little Winchester '94 AE [angle eject] trapper length [16" barrel] in .357 and it is slick as $h!t with both .357's +/or .38 Specials. :D

Maybe I just got a good one? :confused:[/QUOTE]

I just sold:)( ) my Win 94 .357 Compact,basically its a Trapper w/shorter butt.
I had no problems feeding 357 or 38's either.
 
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