What's the difference between PPC, IPSC, IDPA?

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I wanted to try action/practical shooting this year both for fun and learning how to fire a pistol properly. After some reading, I have a vague idea of the different types, but I'd like to get some clarification and additional information. As I understand it, PPC is shooting from different positions and distances, IPSC is moving through a course and shooting, and IDPA is somewhere between the two and focused on self defense.

If I'm wrong about the above, please correct me. Also, if there's a reason you prefer one over the others, tell me why.

Thanks in advance.
 
Differences

I do not know the whole answer to your question but as I shoot IDPA, I can offer this response.

IDPA is a fun shooting sport that offers the individual an atmosphere to practice shooting defensive type scenarios using what is commonly referred to as CCW type carry.

It is a timed event, that penalizes the shooter on poor accuracy and poor use of defensive style shooting. Example of this is shooting a scenario and not hitting the target in the "0" would result in a penalty or shooting a scenario and not using cover would result in a penalty.

The individual that shoots IDPA is not expected to go through an extensive amount of training to shoot as well. Generally, you can shoot your first time out as long as you can "safely" shoot and "safely" draw from a holster. The individual will shoot a classifier course to place them in the same division as other shooters at their skill level.

IDPA is not an overly expensive shooting discipline either. Membership is required, however the price is relatively low compared to other memberships we pay for these days in our lives. You are encouraged to shoot with a firearm that is what you would carry if you legally carried. Therefore, you do not need to spend a big amount of money in regards to firearms to compete.

IDPA is one of the fastest growing pistol shooting sports these days and you can find further information on the sport at www.idpacanada.com

I personally choice IDPA because it is relatively cheap to shoot compared to the other two disciplines you mentioned. I did not need to purchase another dedicated firearm and I have an ATC so I thought shooting defensive type scenarios would be good personal training for it. I also choose it because I know that going to another match somewhere else besides home, I will be up against the same rules as the rules as home. Good luck with your decision.

Greg
 
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PPC is a fixed course of fire, nothing to "figure out". There is no movement,
(aka running and gunning) other than switching from one shooting position
to the next shooting positiong (going from kneeling to left hand barricade,
or going from sitting position, to a prone position).

Traditionally from 7, 15, 25 and 50 yards with iron sighted handguns (pistols
or revolvers).

A B-27 Target - 5' 10" tall silhouette with scoring rings (7,8,9,10 and X)
are used. For ranges who do not have 50 yards, reduced sized targets are
used to simulate the stage as if shot at 50 yards. The X ring measures
2 x 3 inches, the 10-ring which contains the X-ring measures 4 x 6 inches

All the firing is done with 2 hands : from 6 positions, standing unsupported
right hand barricade support, left hand barricade support (your left hand
is used to pull the trigger), kneeling, sitting and prone.

Each stage must be completed in the allotted time. Unfired shots are scored
as 0. It is a game of accuracy where X's really do count.

Holster training of some form is required as each stage starts with the
firearm loaded and holstered.

The traditional 1500 match (150 rounds of ammo) as fired by the NRA,
CPCA, and WA1500. There are other PPC courses of fire, but this
is the most common.

The "PPC 1500"

Match 1 : 24 round
Stage 1 - 12 rounds in 20 seconds, standing unsupported, double action only, using a B-27 target at 7 yards.

Stage 2 - 12 rounds in 20 seconds, standing unsupported, double action only, using a B-27 target at 15 yards.

Match 2 : 18 rounds
18 rounds in 90 seconds. 6 rounds kneeling, 6 rounds left hand left barricade,

6 rounds right hand right barricade, double action only, using B-27 Target at 25 yards

Match 3 : 24 rounds

24 rounds in 2 minutes and 45 seconds. 6 rounds sitting, 6 rounds prone,

6 rounds left hand left barricade, 6 rounds right hand right barricade on a B-27 target at 50 yards, single or double action.

Match 4 : 24 rounds

Stage 1 - 12 rounds in 35 seconds, standing unsupported, double action only, using a B-27 target at 25 yards.

Stage 2 - 12 rounds in 35 seconds, standing unsupported, double action only, using a B-27 target at 25 yards.

Match 5A : 30 rounds

Stage 1 - 12 rounds in 20 seconds, standing unsupported, double action only, using a B-27 target at 7 yards.

Stage 2 - 18 rounds in 90 seconds. 6 rounds kneeling, 6 rounds left hand left barricade,

6 rounds right hand right barricade, double action only, using B-27 Target at 25 yards.


Match 5B : 30 rounds

Stage 1 - 24 rounds in 2 minutes and 45 seconds. 6 rounds sitting, 6 rounds prone,

6 rounds left hand left barricade, 6 rounds right hand right barricade on a B-27 target at 50 yards, single or double action.

Stage 2 - 6 rounds in 12 seconds, standing unsupported, double action only, using a B-27 target at 25 yards.
 
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I shoot IDPA and IPSC. Generally I think IPSC is a faster sport and IDPA has more emphasis on accuracy.

IDPA requires concealement so if you're used to shooting IPSC it's a real pain to have to flick aside a concealement garment to get to your gun and mags. There are different "classes" but basically things revolved around standard service pistols (semi auto or revolver).

IPSC has a production class that is cheap to get into or for a few bucks more you can shoot Standard or use your production gun in Standard -only thing is you compete against tweaked guns. If money is not object you can get a full out custom gun and shoot Open.

I like them both but I think IPSC wins for out for me personally as more fun (I also started with IPSC though so I may be biased).
 
the thing to check is availability of matches. if one of them has 1 match a year in your area and one has 4. then the later sounds like a better choice.

I know ipsc has atleast one match a year on the island and a bunch in the vancouver area. I have no idea how often IDPA runs or where.
 
Good Point Scott.

When I first started really getting into handguns I want out and got my Black Badge for IPSC, two months later I got my PPC certification.

I have never actually shot a PPC match!!!!
 
Good Point Scott.

When I first started really getting into handguns I want out and got my Black Badge for IPSC, two months later I got my PPC certification.

I have never actually shot a PPC match!!!!

Wy have you not shot a PPC Match yet is it because there no spray & pray class :p:p
 
././

P.P.C. Possibly Peeved Constables.

I.P.S.C Irritable People Squabling Constantly

I.D.P.A. I don't practice anymore.

:agree:

TheSentinel

Everything everyone has posted is on the money, and you are correct in your conclusion of the 3 sports.

I would sum them up in three words:

1 PPC - "Bullseye"

2 IPSC - "Offensive"

3 IDPA - "Defensive"

I personally am a IPSC competitor.:p

Cheers
BMW
 
Location has a lot to do with it as well.

You may be interested in any of the disciplines, but if the closest one is 2+ hours away, how often will you go out just to watch a match to see if you are interested?
Personally I could not see "watching" PPC :)

Watching SASS is pretty nifty when you see them all dressed up :)
 
Watching a PPC match is like watching Golf. It isn't
as bad as watching an ISSF FreePistol match.

When you see with your own eyes what is possible,
as in how tight a human being with iron sights can
shoot, it can get you really motivated to go out and
practice.

You watch the shooter, see their form, time their cadence,
and track their shots down range. At the end of the stage,
there is just a ragged hole where the X-ring use to be.

Even more amazing is when it is done with very basic gear.
 
Those that can hit a 6"x4" 10 ring at 50 yards shoot PPC, those who can't....shoot IPSC. Most people don't give PPC enough respect. It's an excellent disipline to learn the basic fundementals of shooting including sight alignment, trigger control, breathing, etc. It can also be a very challenging course of fire to shoot. I agree that watching a match can be like watching grass grow at times, but all the same if you watch and pay attention there is aways something to learn. I have been shooting PPC for 20 years or so and I still enjoy it.
 
Wy have you not shot a PPC Match yet is it because there no spray & pray class :p:p

Nope.............I just found it very boring when I took the course.

I like the varitey of IPSC and IDPA.

Not to mention there has not been a PPC match at EESA in over a decade.
 
The other "action" shooting sports which we don't see in Canada is
the NRA Action Pistol Discipline with the annual Bianchi Cup competition.

NRA Action Pistol consists of a dozen or so fixed courses of fire. Some
involve steel plates, some are practical drills (much like PPC), some contain
moving targets.

NRA Action Pistol is about accuracy in the given time. PPC could be
considered a subset of the NRA Action Pistol.

If you ever get to watch Shooting USA on OLN, they cover the various
national championship matches. The Bianchi Cup has the highest payout
and the winning Master's has the highest presitege.

Big Rob Latham (of many fames) in one of his interviews on Shooting USA
has a very healthy respect for the PPC sport.
 
Those that can hit a 6"x4" 10 ring at 50 yards shoot PPC, those who can't....shoot IPSC. Most people don't give PPC enough respect. It's an excellent disipline to learn the basic fundementals of shooting including sight alignment, trigger control, breathing, etc. It can also be a very challenging course of fire to shoot. I agree that watching a match can be like watching grass grow at times, but all the same if you watch and pay attention there is aways something to learn. I have been shooting PPC for 20 years or so and I still enjoy it.

speak for yourself
 
I won't insult you by attempting to bash IDPA or PPC, since I don't (or even have the opportunity to) shoot them, except to say that they're probably great fun for the people who get involved, and I'm sure that they offer good experience for shooters.

I think I can comment on IPSC for you...;)

Organization:
IPSC Canada is the most active and largest action shooting organization in the country.

We are represented in every province except PEI.

In Ontario alone, there are over 300 matches a year. In little NS here, we have over 20.

IPSC has an established, polished set of rules with certification and structures for officials.

IPSC Canada offers an excellent training program for new shooters, that is very often copied (and always accepted by) other shooting disciplines.

IPSC Canada is one of the 5 biggest countries involved in IPSC (of which there is over 50) and many of the big players in the international organization hail from Canada.

Our Yearly Nationals is so popular, we keep expanding the time frame and working our people to the bone to get more shooters in.

If you want to put rounds downrange, you will definitely get a lot of shooting done with IPSC.

The Sport:
We started with defensive techniques, but found that if we wanted real objective rules and a standardized playing ground for all our competitors, we had to move away from it. Some features are still implied, but it's really about the competition level now. That said, many of the concepts of defensive pistol shooting (don't stay still, trigger control, sight alignment) are accentuated. Nobody in Law Enforcement has ever said that shooting IPSC didn't help them.

In Canada, we offer 4 different divisions of competition for your preference of handgun. Revolver, Standard (single actions with no comps, ports or optics), Production - box stock (mostly) guns and Open - whatever you want to do to it is up to you.

IPSC Stages are never repeated - anywhere. That means you'll be faced with a new shooting challenge at every match you go to. No muscle memory games and you won't get bored. You may be shooting with either hand, both hands, off balance, running, 50 yard shots, etc.

IPSC offers "Long Courses" which are 18-32 round challenges that are sure to get your adrenaline pumping.

The Guns:
The only shooters that win IPSC matches have flawlessly working guns that fire thousands of rounds. You can't win with a gun that jams occasionally and you can't get good if you don't practice, so be sure that the guns you see at an IPSC match can take a beating far worse than any LE/ Military selection process.

The People:
Since this sport can be so competitive, we attract "A" type personalities who get very passionate about the sport. The occasional one makes an ass of himself at a match, thinking only of his placement. He's the exception, and the same joker you'll find at every sport that has a competitive level. The majority of our people are friendly, helpful and great people to hang around with. I've been all over this country shooting and there's no place I wouldn't go back to. I've made friends all over Canada and in many other countries. I wouldn't have got the chance if it wasn't for IPSC.

The Matches
We try very hard to build elaborate stages. We train our match directors and officials that they need to put out painted walls to shoot around, nice props and entertaining ideas. We strive for it, but understand that at some smaller matches, the budget isn't there, so we make due, but the challenge is just the same.

Short Courses are 1-9 rounds, quick shoots whereby you get your gun and shoot. The sneaky thing about these is that you get the impression you have to be fast and let accuracy suffer, but in fact - accuracy is more important.

Medium Courses involve some basic movement as you shoot 10-16 rounds.

Long Courses involve lots of movement and lots of mag changes (in Canada) as you shoot up to 32 rounds.

You'll find all of these courses at each match.


I suggest you contact Mark at IPSC BC and come on out to one of our matches, it won't take you long to get hooked.

Sean Hansen, Regional Director, IPSC Canada.
 
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