What's the knock on Glocks??

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Love Glocks. Have two of em, and also a 70's series 1911.

Previously I have met a guy who runs a guard company (right word?) over here. He refuses to let his guys use Glocks and insists on SIG's, because "if one of my guys has his gun stolen, a Glock is much more dangerous, because the trigger is much lighter on the first round then with a SIG"
 
What I like the most about Glocks is that they work. I had one for 12 years and never experienced a malfunction. The trigger was so- so but quite acceptable at combat distances. It was a gen2 and I didn't like the slippery feel of the grip. I ended up selling it but I have been thinking of getting a gen4 since I manipulated one a few weeks ago. The grip of the gen4 is much more comfortable for me. The only thing I would change on it is those horrible sights.
 
Posers don't buy Glocks. They buy fancy 1911s :p I still love my 1911s but my Glocks are just outstanding. I have four now. Still waiting for a malfunction on one of the four. Even the Gen 4 G27 I recently acquired has had a ton of ammo through it and runs like a top.

Last Thursday at IPSC my friend's 1911 9mm Spartan was jamming up like crazy. He never shot one mag without a jam. Bad reloads as I have seen his Spartan run like a top in the past. I was shooting my G17 and filled a mag with his ammo. Shot all ten as fast as I could pull the trigger. No issues. :) My Gen 3 G17 has way over 10,000 rounds without a failure. I have lent it out to people for courses several times and it still looks new.

And let's not forget Gaston is in his 80s and has a wife in her 30s. :D
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The most important feature a pistol has with respect to hitting the target is it's trigger. If your pistol has a good trigger and if you've mastered it so the front sight doesn't move off target when it breaks, you'll get a hit. My cristicism with Glock is not that its ugly, although it is, and not that its mad out of plastic, although it is, the problem I have with the Glock is the trigger. The Glock trigger sucks. "How can that be?" you ask, "Its a proven fighting pistol!"

Well here's the thing; if we consider a single action pistol, or even a conventional double action pistol (as opposed to a DA only pistol which is even worse than a Glock) we have a trigger that fires the pistol with a short light clean pull every single time. The DA pistol can be manually cocked to facilitate this, where the 1911 comes by it honestly. But the Glock trigger is long and some examples are very heavy for the first shot. And there is nothing that can be done to change that! (Actually there is, you junk the Glock and buy a SIG, that's what Manitoba DNR did).

The Glock has no hammer to ####, and whats worse, is if you loose your mind and actually break contact with the trigger, or even if you allow your finger to move a fraction of an inch too far forward, the trigger resets and you are back to the long hard pull again. No thankyou. I want my trigger short, light, and crisp, from the first round to the last.
 
Boomer said:
The most important feature a pistol has with respect to hitting the target is it's trigger. If your pistol has a good trigger and if you've mastered it so the front sight doesn't move off target when it breaks, you'll get a hit. My cristicism with Glock is not that its ugly, although it is, and not that its mad out of plastic, although it is, the problem I have with the Glock is the trigger. The Glock trigger sucks. "How can that be?" you ask, "Its a proven fighting pistol!"

Well here's the thing; if we consider a single action pistol, or even a conventional double action pistol (as opposed to a DA only pistol which is even worse than a Glock) we have a trigger that fires the pistol with a short light clean pull every single time. The DA pistol can be manually cocked to facilitate this, where the 1911 comes by it honestly. But the Glock trigger is long and some examples are very heavy for the first shot. And there is nothing that can be done to change that! (Actually there is, you junk the Glock and buy a SIG, that's what Manitoba DNR did).

The Glock has no hammer to ####, and whats worse, is if you loose your mind and actually break contact with the trigger, or even if you allow your finger to move a fraction of an inch too far forward, the trigger resets and you are back to the long hard pull again. No thankyou. I want my trigger short, light, and crisp, from the first round to the last.
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Is the trigger pull not 5.5lbs? I'm talking Gen 4 here.
 
Glock triggers suck. Most combat weapons have crummy, heavy triggers. Its safer. You get used to it. Other guns are far more fun to shoot. But my gen3 17 is my go-to gun if anything happens. It goes bang everytime.
 
I love my glock, everytime I look at it or pick it up I get giddy. Its ###y, sleek, and all business. Not to mention she chews any ammo I feed it and it goes bang every time I pull the trigger...the trigger that apparently is ####ty.
 
Boomer said:
The most important feature a pistol has with respect to hitting the target is it's trigger. If your pistol has a good trigger and if you've mastered it so the front sight doesn't move off target when it breaks, you'll get a hit. My cristicism with Glock is not that its ugly, although it is, and not that its mad out of plastic, although it is, the problem I have with the Glock is the trigger. The Glock trigger sucks. "How can that be?" you ask, "Its a proven fighting pistol!"

Well here's the thing; if we consider a single action pistol, or even a conventional double action pistol (as opposed to a DA only pistol which is even worse than a Glock) we have a trigger that fires the pistol with a short light clean pull every single time. The DA pistol can be manually cocked to facilitate this, where the 1911 comes by it honestly. But the Glock trigger is long and some examples are very heavy for the first shot. And there is nothing that can be done to change that! (Actually there is, you junk the Glock and buy a SIG, that's what Manitoba DNR did).

The Glock has no hammer to ####, and whats worse, is if you loose your mind and actually break contact with the trigger, or even if you allow your finger to move a fraction of an inch too far forward, the trigger resets and you are back to the long hard pull again. No thankyou. I want my trigger short, light, and crisp, from the first round to the last.
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I can speak from experience now as I have shot a lot of rounds down 1911s and Glocks. Here's the thing. Sure the 1911 single action trigger is sweet and for a novice shooter much easier to be accurate with. My 1911 Trojan has a 1.5-2lbs trigger pull with zero slack. Breaks like glass! Just beautiful! Glocks can be shot just as accurately as 1911s even though the 1911s are inherently more accurate. You peak on the 1911 but just keep practicing with the Glock and you actually catch up.

This results in you having a much, much more reliable gun that will go many more rounds before anything needs to be replaced. I am completely unbiased as I currently own compete with both 1911s and Glocks.

Bob Vogel beat all the CZ Shadows and Tanfoglios with their tuned triggers at the 2011 IPSC World Championships in production using a Glock 17. Sure he is an extreme example but it shows what I am talking about.

DON'T KNOCK THE GLOCK! :cool:
 
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I am a Glock hater for many years and have owned several well know brand name gun, they all shoot well but I sold them all, instead I have two Glock 17s and two norincos in my stable. Understand I still like other guns over the Glock.

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Boomer; said:
But the Glock trigger is long and some examples are very heavy for the first shot. And there is nothing that can be done to change that! (Actually there is, you junk the Glock and buy a SIG, that's what Manitoba DNR did).

The Glock has no hammer to ####, and whats worse, is if you loose your mind and actually break contact with the trigger, or even if you allow your finger to move a fraction of an inch too far forward, the trigger resets and you are back to the long hard pull again. No thankyou. I want my trigger short, light, and crisp, from the first round to the last.
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From the sounds of things you have a hard time managing triggers.

Train your hands to work the reset, and the trigger pull is short and fairly crisp, with a strong tactile reset.

None of my Glocks have a long, hard pull and other than NY-trigger mod Glocks I have never seen one any different.

Prep the trigger on the pressout; Glocks have a bit of take-up but it's very light. Roll through the sear and let off to reset during recoil.

Glock triggers are some of the easiest triggers to work you will ever encounter. The only easier triggers are 1911s, or TDA guns which never get fired in DA. But that's pure plinking. If you are pushing a 226 hard, you will not always be cocking the hammer. You will be moving and shooting, and working the decock and the DA pull a lot.

I have said this many times and nothing has changed so far: if you can't work a Glock trigger, the problem is not the Glock. That is almost as easy as it gets.
 
I agree that it is a proven pistol and very reliable, just like the 1911's. for me its just a personal thing that i dont like the square looks, the plastic frame, and i just cant get use to the feel of the grip.

padawan said:
Not trying to start a flame war here or anything. But, i'm not sure i get the knock on Glocks that some have said. It's seems like a proven pistol that just plain works. Fires just about anything you put into it. Seems to be VERY reliable and durable. Other then the Looks and the fact it doesn't fit everyone's hand.

I get that with some Pistols, you either love em or hate em. But the Glock should be the exception to the rule......at least from the outside looking in.
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