What's the knock on Glocks??

I shoot for fun and out of the several HG's I own I always take my Ruger 4.2" 44mag Redhawk and both my Glocks (gen3 G17 and gen4 21). My Glocks see most of the action now and have never failed. Field stripping and cleaning is so simple and painless.
The trigger reset works for me and other than a NY1 spring and 3.5lb Glock connector on the 17....both are stock with Trijicon night sights.
As I mentioned...I shoot for fun but if SHTF I would grab one of my Glocks.
BTW...scuffs and wear marks add character to Glocks;)
 
We love our handguns. We want them in turn to give us pleasure in handling, aiming, pulling the trigger towards the cardboard target, rejoicing when we see a nice group of holes there, cleaning them, pampering them.

When emotions are involved not everything can be rationalised, measured and rigorously decided upon. If you hate the looks of a gun, if you don't feel it blending in your hand, if it is for you just a good tool, an accurate paper hole perforator, you’ll soon think at other options on the market; and there is plenty of them out there.

I get all the above about Glocks … and something special on top of it: In January 2011 a mad man using a Glock killed six people in Arizona, including a nine year old girl (you see, my heart bleeds first for the child, ahead of political figures). In January 2011 I was preparing as well for the PAL / RPAL exams. I had previous gun experience in the military but not in recreational shooting. Of course it was not the fault of the gun, of course the crazy killer and his mental sickness are to blame but Glocks bring me back painful feelings. And, as any human being my instincts try to pull away from pain.

The phenomenon is strange, personal, irrational and almost impossible to quantify. For instance, I had a similar non-relationship with BMWs for more than ten years after a former colleague got killed in his Bimmer because of brake failure. It went away eventually; hats off in front of the marvelous machines BMWs is making.

And there is no necessary repetitive causal connection in such cases. Look, like most normal people I am totally appalled by the orange hair piece of s**t who just produced the horrible Aurora, Colorado mass killing (another sweet child killed there as well). But AR-15s didn’t go “Glock” for me.

Now, let’s suppose only Glocks would be available on the market. Then, if my desire for making holes in the paper is bigger than painful feelings I would surely go with a Glock and get over it. But the market is full of many nice handguns from all points of view, functionality, esthetics, hand fitting, reliability, accuracy, you name it. I keep hearing that even after thousands of shots “Glocks go bang when you pull the trigger”. But, honestly, only Glocks do this? See, now I switched to rational arguments. Especially when Glocks, let's face it, are not the BMWs of the handgun world; maybe around Toyotas.
 
CristianM said:
I get all the above about Glocks … and something special on top of it: In January 2011 a mad man using a Glock killed six people in Arizona, including a nine year old girl (you see, my heart bleeds first for the child, ahead of political figures). In January 2011 I was preparing as well for the PAL / RPAL exams. I had previous gun experience in the military but not in recreational shooting. Of course it was not the fault of the gun, of course the crazy killer and his mental sickness are to blame but Glocks bring me back painful feelings. And, as any human being my instincts try to pull away from pain.

The phenomenon is strange, personal, irrational and almost impossible to quantify. For instance, I had a similar non-relationship with BMWs for more than ten years after a former colleague got killed in his Bimmer because of brake failure. It went away eventually; hats off in front of the marvelous machines BMWs is making.

And there is no necessary repetitive causal connection in such cases. Look, like most normal people I am totally appalled by the orange hair piece of s**t who just produced the horrible Aurora, Colorado mass killing (another sweet child killed there as well). But AR-15s didn’t go “Glock” for me.
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Sorry, man, but you are about to get dog-####ing-piled.

A gun is just a machine. Don't anthropomorphize it; that is stupid. Don't bond with it. Don't get a hard on for it. It's just a machine that launches little bits of lead. That's all.

People who can't separate emotional issues from everyday objects are why we have the stupid laws we do. Don't be one of them.

Enjoy the dogpile.
 
CristianM said:
We love our handguns. We want them in turn to give us pleasure in handling, aiming, pulling the trigger towards the cardboard target, rejoicing when we see a nice group of holes there, cleaning them, pampering them.

When emotions are involved not everything can be rationalised, measured and rigorously decided upon. If you hate the looks of a gun, if you don't feel it blending in your hand, if it is for you just a good tool, an accurate paper hole perforator, you’ll soon think at other options on the market; and there is plenty of them out there.

I get all the above about Glocks … and something special on top of it: In January 2011 a mad man using a Glock killed six people in Arizona, including a nine year old girl (you see, my heart bleeds first for the child, ahead of political figures). In January 2011 I was preparing as well for the PAL / RPAL exams. I had previous gun experience in the military but not in recreational shooting. Of course it was not the fault of the gun, of course the crazy killer and his mental sickness are to blame but Glocks bring me back painful feelings. And, as any human being my instincts try to pull away from pain.

The phenomenon is strange, personal, irrational and almost impossible to quantify. For instance, I had a similar non-relationship with BMWs for more than ten years after a former colleague got killed in his Bimmer because of brake failure. It went away eventually; hats off in front of the marvelous machines BMWs is making.

And there is no necessary repetitive causal connection in such cases. Look, like most normal people I am totally appalled by the orange hair piece of s**t who just produced the horrible Aurora, Colorado mass killing (another sweet child killed there as well). But AR-15s didn’t go “Glock” for me.

Now, let’s suppose only Glocks would be available on the market. Then, if my desire for making holes in the paper is bigger than painful feelings I would surely go with a Glock and get over it. But the market is full of many nice handguns from all points of view, functionality, esthetics, hand fitting, reliability, accuracy, you name it. I keep hearing that even after thousands of shots “Glocks go bang when you pull the trigger”. But, honestly, only Glocks do this? See, now I switched to rational arguments. Especially when Glocks, let's face it, are not the BMWs of the handgun world; maybe around Toyotas.
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Where does one start....:bsFlag:
 
I have owned several Glock's over the years and have mostly good to say about them.
The trigger does feel a bit mushy and I have always found the grip to be a bit slippery and just too big on the 20/21. I sold my last Glock recently but will probably pick up a gen4 in the future just for the sake of having one. But for now its time to try some of the other polymer framed striker fired pistols out there.
That being said, I will always fall back to USP line as my favorite and go to's.
 
How is it if you don't like a glock the glock lovers dismiss you as a serios pistol shooter?

I wonder how Rob Letham, Todd Jarret, Doug Koening and Jerry Miculek feel about that? Then again they have only won various world pistol championships multiple times and set world records for multiple wins, top scores, accuracy and speed in their disciplines. These four gentlemen are the most winningest ( is that even a word??) pistol shooters in the world and continue to win now...and just imagine.. none of them shoot glocks!!!

My point? If you like glock then good for you BUT... ( and I said it before) that does not mean we all have to like glock. Glock owners need to learn not to get their panties in a knot so quick.. afterall in the big scheme of things it really doesn't mean much compared to the more serious things in life.
 
Boomer686 said:
How is it if you don't like a glock the glock lovers dismiss you as a serios pistol shooter?

I wonder how Rob Letham, Todd Jarret, Doug Koening and Jerry Miculek feel about that? Then again they have only won various world pistol championships multiple times and set world records for multiple wins, top scores, accuracy and speed in their disciplines. These four gentlemen are the most winningest ( is that even a word??) pistol shooters in the world and continue to win now...and just imagine.. none of them shoot glocks!!!

My point? If you like glock then good for you BUT... ( and I said it before) that does not mean we all have to like glock. Glock owners need to learn not to get their panties in a knot so quick.. afterall in the big scheme of things it really doesn't mean much compared to the more serious things in life.
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Not liking them as a piece of art is fine...not recognizing their effectiveness as a pistol is something totally different.

Incidentally, the fact that the shooters you mentioned aren't sponsored by Glock doesn't mean they don't like Glocks, or, more importantly, that they think Glocks are bad pistols. For example, Jerry Miculek shoots GSSF matches, obviously using a Glock.

You can dislike Glocks over some random aesthetic issue...and as long as you understand that that has nothing to do with the function of the gun, that's fine.

If you can't wrap your head around why Glock dominates the world service pistol market, and you're convinced it's just bribes or free guns or something, then you probably aren't a serious pistol shooter.
 
misanthropist said:
Not liking them as a piece of art is fine...not recognizing their effectiveness as a pistol is something totally different.

Incidentally, the fact that the shooters you mentioned aren't sponsored by Glock doesn't mean they don't like Glocks, or, more importantly, that they think Glocks are bad pistols. For example, Jerry Miculek shoots GSSF matches, obviously using a Glock.

You can dislike Glocks over some random aesthetic issue...and as long as you understand that that has nothing to do with the function of the gun, that's fine.

If you can't wrap your head around why Glock dominates the world service pistol market, and you're convinced it's just bribes or free guns or something, then you probably aren't a serious pistol shooter.
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No intensions, at all, of giving the OP a hard time but.....

I have to agree with the above quote. I hate Glock :) Can't stand the look, feel or fit in my hand, but I shoot my G19 more accurately than my Shadow, Sigs or HK. Not by much, but enough where I where I notice the difference and choose to shoot them more often than the others..... and please let it be known, I'm not a Glock groupie. I do believe there are way cooler guns out there..... and really do wish I didn't like the G19 so much. :( :confused: :D
 
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Human nature to raise oneself on that imaginary pedestal by knocking on something else.

I hate the glock trigger, luv the 1911 trigger. Glock fits like a glove. Get what works for you, ignore the critics.
 
Boomer686 said:
How is it if you don't like a glock the glock lovers dismiss you as a serios pistol shooter?

I wonder how Rob Letham, Todd Jarret, Doug Koening and Jerry Miculek feel about that? Then again they have only won various world pistol championships multiple times and set world records for multiple wins, top scores, accuracy and speed in their disciplines. These four gentlemen are the most winningest ( is that even a word??) pistol shooters in the world and continue to win now...and just imagine.. none of them shoot glocks!!!

My point? If you like glock then good for you BUT... ( and I said it before) that does not mean we all have to like glock. Glock owners need to learn not to get their panties in a knot so quick.. afterall in the big scheme of things it really doesn't mean much compared to the more serious things in life.
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Another difference about those shooters you mentioned is they had to put money into their guns to make them reliable enough for competition.(or their sponsors put the money in) That had to be done to both the 1911s I use. They also replace parts in them more regularly. No big deal right? I agree. Buy what you like I am just stating some observations about Gaston's masterpiece.
 
misanthropist said:
From the sounds of things you have a hard time managing triggers.

Train your hands to work the reset, and the trigger pull is short and fairly crisp, with a strong tactile reset.

None of my Glocks have a long, hard pull and other than NY-trigger mod Glocks I have never seen one any different.

Prep the trigger on the pressout; Glocks have a bit of take-up but it's very light. Roll through the sear and let off to reset during recoil.

Glock triggers are some of the easiest triggers to work you will ever encounter. The only easier triggers are 1911s, or TDA guns which never get fired in DA. But that's pure plinking. If you are pushing a 226 hard, you will not always be cocking the hammer. You will be moving and shooting, and working the decock and the DA pull a lot.

I have said this many times and nothing has changed so far: if you can't work a Glock trigger, the problem is not the Glock. That is almost as easy as it gets.
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Not at all. My long guns and my handguns all have very similar triggers, with a clean break and only enough slack to allow the semi autos to reset, as no semi-auto trigger can be without some slack. None of my triggers are so heavy as to induce shake, and none have any appreciable movement before the break other than the double action guns when fired in the DA mode, but unlike the Glock I can choose to fire them SA if I choose. By comparison, the Glock triggers I've been exposed to were exceptionally difficult, which is probably one reason why Manitoba's DNR dumped them in favor of the SIG. By the way, it was my exposure to their guns that provided me with a lasting impression of the Glock. Each to their own, I get that some folks have a high opinion of them, I'm just not one of them.

But lets consider the Glock trigger in a practical sense, and to be fair we'll assume a let off of 4 pounds rather than the 16-20 pounds that I experienced, as I accept that is not typical of the newer Glocks. These guns are presumably designed to be used in a fight where stress is high, but where the chance of a precision shot is not unheard of. This would be particularly true in case where your assailant is talented enough to use cover and concealment effectively and doesn't present much of a target or perhaps he has withdrawn to the point where he can bring rifle fire on you at the long end of the range typical for a service pistol shot. If your first shot has to be precisely made under tight time constraints, good luck if you have to move your trigger a half inch in order to fire the gun. As I said earlier, a good trigger, with minimal movement and manageable weight is the gun's most important element for good marksmanship; it trumps the quality of the sights or the intrinsic accuracy of the gun. The only way to induce a SA trigger with a Glock is to pull the trigger on an empty chamber, then rack the slide while holding back the trigger to set it in the SA mode, and I think we can agree you won't do that. What you will do is fire the first round with the long pull as best you can, regardless of circumstances, but the geometry of your hand works against you being successful. A miss might have serious consequences in an urban area, and everything you send down range will have a lawyer attached to it. In a fight where I had little to shoot at, I wouldn't trade my Ruger Vaquero for a Glock, never mind one of my conventional autos.
 
Well, my friend John Dzurka placed #1 at the 2011 Alberta provincials and # 6 in production in IPSC at the Canadian nationals last year and he shoots a glock. He says that people really look surprised when he blows by them in competition with his plain ol' Glock. I have only shot a glock for 100 rounds, but it pointed more naturally than any other gun I've held.
Once I take care of my historic "wish list" of guns I wished I had as a kid, and others I've ogled along the way, I'm sure to buy a glock or 2. They can't all be wrong can they??
 
CristianM said:
I get all the above about Glocks … and something special on top of it: In January 2011 a mad man using a Glock killed six people in Arizona, including a nine year old girl (you see, my heart bleeds first for the child, ahead of political figures). In January 2011 I was preparing as well for the PAL / RPAL exams. I had previous gun experience in the military but not in recreational shooting. Of course it was not the fault of the gun, of course the crazy killer and his mental sickness are to blame but Glocks bring me back painful feelings. And, as any human being my instincts try to pull away from pain.
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Um... Wow. I see everyone is tip-toeing around that one, so I'll just follow the same path.

Love 'em or hate 'em, no one can deny Glocks are reliable as heck and extremely functional for their intended purpose. I like 1911's a lot too - who wouldn't love a gun that has a 100 year history, great trigger and great looks that can be customized to fit anyone's taste and budget? They can even be made reliable too with some effort and babying (heehee).

But to me, comparing a Glock and a 1911 is akin to comparing a car to a pickup truck and arguing which is better - a task with no end and no beginning.
 
I like my Gen 1 glock with a 3.5# connector and hogue hand all grip. It is utilitarian. It works. I feel confident on its maintenance and can have it completely disassembled in about 5 min or less. It has had an issue of the trigger not reseting but that was chalked up to no oil on the connector area of the sub frame. That being said if I were to be deployed to the a**hole of the universe and needed a sidearm it would be the Glock 17.
 
Boomer said:
But lets consider the Glock trigger in a practical sense, and to be fair we'll assume a let off of 4 pounds rather than the 16-20 pounds that I experienced, as I accept that is not typical of the newer Glocks. These guns are presumably designed to be used in a fight where stress is high, but where the chance of a precision shot is not unheard of. This would be particularly true in case where your assailant is talented enough to use cover and concealment effectively and doesn't present much of a target or perhaps he has withdrawn to the point where he can bring rifle fire on you at the long end of the range typical for a service pistol shot. If your first shot has to be precisely made under tight time constraints, good luck if you have to move your trigger a half inch in order to fire the gun. As I said earlier, a good trigger, with minimal movement and manageable weight is the gun's most important element for good marksmanship; it trumps the quality of the sights or the intrinsic accuracy of the gun. The only way to induce a SA trigger with a Glock is to pull the trigger on an empty chamber, then rack the slide while holding back the trigger to set it in the SA mode, and I think we can agree you won't do that. What you will do is fire the first round with the long pull as best you can, regardless of circumstances, but the geometry of your hand works against you being successful. A miss might have serious consequences in an urban area, and everything you send down range will have a lawyer attached to it. In a fight where I had little to shoot at, I wouldn't trade my Ruger Vaquero for a Glock, never mind one of my conventional autos.
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Why wouldn't you just prep the trigger on the draw stroke? Take up is eliminated and you just have the sear to roll through. That is as S/A as a Glock gets, and you access it simply by...prepping the trigger.

If you can't work a Glock, you can't shoot...that is the bottom line.
 
misanthropist said:
Why wouldn't you just prep the trigger on the draw stroke? Take up is eliminated and you just have the sear to roll through. That is as S/A as a Glock gets, and you access it simply by...prepping the trigger.

If you can't work a Glock, you can't shoot...that is the bottom line.
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Glocks don't fit/work for every single person...get over it!!!
 
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