What's the worst groups you've gotten?

Ducimus

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I tried shooting some 95 grain VLD's through my 700 with a factory 9 1/8 twist barrel. I was using Winchester brass and primers and varget powder. From 33.5 grains through to 35 grains I was getting up to six inch groups.

I knew that the bullet weight needs to match the twist but does having the wrong twist create this much chaos? I'm now in the process of trying to find a lighter bullet to try out....I'm looking for a dramatic improvement.
 
worst grouping i made was with some 80 grain A-maxes in my 223 rem 700 LTR, couldn't get any smaller than 4.5 inches at 100 yards.
in some cases they couldn't even hit paper or sometimes one on top end one on the bottom of the paper.
but with the 69 grainers i get a 5 shot hole in one almost
 
My old M1 Garand.

Milsurp 30-06 ammunition. Grouped about an HOUR of angle. I could NOT put all 8 rounds on a single sheet of 8.5x11 @ 50yrds. Mind you the barrel was also shot to hell.

Have a newer barrel on it now.
 
I found that anything over 75 grain would not shoot below 4 inches in my .223 Savage BVSS. I happened upon a friend with 69 gr Sierra match and have never looked for anything else. First 3 shots ( all he had to spare) shot almost a single hole. .. .187 inch. at 100 yards. I shot my 69 gr. reloads with 25 gr varget to 200 yards and smacked gophers. I am not a paper person so this setup does me great.

i guess the worst was a 1910 38-55 Winchester that shot the bullets sideways at 50 yards and would not paper at all at 100. Sold to me as a decent bore..Used in cowboy shooting..lol...lol
 
To the orig. poster....any idea what caliber the rifle is???? It makes it a little easier to do the math on twist rates, if you know the bore diameter.
 
lakefield 64B that would shoot 5-6" groups at 30m with a scope! worst centerfire grouping was 4" at 50m from my 1950 336RC before i bedded the forestock, installed a dampener and recrowned it. it now shoots MOA easily.

that is a crazy group though... and i believe it requires a faster twist the heavier the bullet is, therefore your fast twist should be stabilizing those as well as it would the lighter bullets... Ben will be the guy on this topic, get him your caliber info.
 
ben hunchak said:
To the orig. poster....any idea what caliber the rifle is???? It makes it a little easier to do the math on twist rates, if you know the bore diameter.
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243 win.

I'm thinking of trying some 70 grain SMK's if I can find them. If I can't find them I will try some of the heavier varmint bullets. I'll save the 95's for down the road when I rebarrel to something else.
 
I tried loading 165gr Nosler Ballistic Tips in my M700 .30-06. Nothing worked; tried every compatible, possible powder I had, in all kinds of weights. Groups looked like a shotgun spread pattern! :mad:

Switched back to the old faithful 165gr Hornady BTSP and *bingo*! The group immediately shrunk to ~1" for 5 shots.
 
My buddy has an old Parker Hale in 270 Winchester. We couldn't get it to hit a standard sheet of paper more than once in 10 rounds at 25 yards. The bullets were flying all over the place. We gave up on the scope and put it in my gun vise. We then bore sighted it (looking down the bore). Nope....bullets all over the place. We then took the muzzel break off....yea, somebody put a muzzel break on a 270.......anyway, same thing....actually, if I remember right, we didn't hit paper once that time. It's also blowing out primers, even with factory ammo. I'm starting to wonder if it's really a 270. There are absolutely ZERO markings on it to indicate caliber. I measured the bore at the end of the barrel, and the measurements matched a 270. For the life of me, I can't see anything wrong, unless the throat is SO erroded......I don't know. Anyway, it's heading to the gunsmith in May to be looked at.

So, back to the original queston.....worst group......greater than 8.5x11 inches at 25 yards.
 
My M1 Garand (I love that rifle) has a rough old barrel, and typically shoots 4-5 MOA at 100 yards.

Once tried shooting some 68 BTHP match bullets in a 1-14" .22-250. I didn't expect it to stabilize, but I had to be sure, and it would be "neat" if I could catch a couple of sideways bullets on the paper. I fired about 20 rounds at the target, 125 yards away. Saw the bullets splash all around the target. When all was said and done, *NOT ONE* bullet had hit the 2' x 3' target board!! (I wonder if perhaps groups from non-stabilized bullets are "hollow"?).

Ducimus has your rifle shot other bullets really well (i.e. it is definitely a load/bullet problem, not a rifle/scope problem), or is it brand new and unknown?
 
I was trying cast bullets in a microgroove 30-30 and I may as well have had a shotgun because that's what the target looked like.

Ben made me some better fitting gas checked ones and things tightened up considerably. I'd kind of like to get some more...
 
Edward Teach said:
I was trying cast bullets in a microgroove 30-30 and I may as well have had a shotgun because that's what the target looked like.

Ben made me some better fitting gas checked ones and things tightened up considerably. I'd kind of like to get some more...
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where can i find gas checked cast? i'd like to get some for my 444.
 
an Old mosing M44 carbine that shot an honest 6" inch group at 100 yards......I also had a sewer pipe Model 92 winchester in 44-40 that wasnt' much better but the results were observed at closer range....I traded the mosin as a parts gun and the Model 92 is retired from hunting but will still come out for plinking the odd time.
 
rnbra-shooter said:
Ducimus has your rifle shot other bullets really well (i.e. it is definitely a load/bullet problem, not a rifle/scope problem), or is it brand new and unknown?
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Brand new. These were the first loads through it. When I started out with the 95 VLD's I knew there might be a possibility they wouldn't work...just had to try though, I'll keep them for when I rebarrel to 6mm br :). I'm ordering some 80gr Bergers to try out, there's no doubt they should work length wise that is.
 
Ducimus I shoot a 243 and I have no problem stabilising 90gr lapua scenars I have a 10 twist and I think a lot of factory 243's are 10 twist .
How certain are you about the twist rate ,I know the 95gr smk's require a 9 twist but some guys are getting away with a 10 twist with these bullets they should stabilise in your rifle.
You should check your mounts and rings carefully and try some h4350 h4831 or h1000 for fuller case and possibly much better results .
 
Had to dig this one up.. Over 3 years old

I was testing some loads with my now long gone 700 LTR .308 with a fixed 10x super sniper scope.

168gr BTHPs with 4064 and BlC-2 and 165gr hornady BTSP with 4064

I was new to shooting .308 and reloading. Even with my lack of shooting experience showing, the top two reloads stood out even more.

If you look closely lol, in my exasperation I labeled them "load of puke"

I'd have to check my reloading log book but they were 168gr hornady BTHPs with IMR4064.

I've never had that great of results with 4064 in general with either my LTR or my 5R.

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