What's this 1911 worth?

I have seen quite a few pictures of the #1 SMLE to have a leather Ross or Snider sling. But the one in this pic is in fact a K/G98 sling.

I think in 1917, the guys weren't to picky as to a leather or canvas sling. Unfortunately they had other thing to worry about.
 
koldt said:
Thought I would get some input here before I lay out the money. Just got back from holidays, and has a guy offer me this 1911 in 45. He was asking $800 and I didn't know if it was worth it? It's in good shape but I don't know.
Should I get it?
I was more interested in the C1 SMG in the case, but that one wasn't for sale.

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Ah yes..... the NAA 1911.... the "Holy Grail" of 1911's...... :D

There's a guy who posts over on the 1911Forum that actually owns one. Goes by the handle "oldcanuck".....

Always had a 'fantasy' that someone would contact me because they heard I was "into 1911's" and had an "old one" they'd like to get rid of.... and it turns out to be a NAA or one of John Brownings "tool room" 1911 prototypes...... Kinda like the proverbial ad in the news paper that advertizes the "old Chevrolet" for $800 and it turns out to be a pristine, orginal Corvette.... :cool:

Nice pic 'koldt'.... thanks for sharing......
 
Paulinski said:
I'd still take a US&S over that. ;)

Gasp that I say that out-loud. I'm a big WWII Buff. :)
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For what you'd get out of an original NAA 1911 at auction you could probably buy 1/2 doz original US&S 1911A1's and still have enough left over to complete the rest of a "must have" WWII 1911A1 collection in minty pairs[Colt, Ithaca & Remington Rands]..... :wave:
 
I remember a Newspaper story a bunch of years ago, Where an anti-socialite held up a convenience store for a few hundred bucks, got arrested with a .45 stolen of course ---- it was a North American Arms 1911. Worth ---well you know.
Darwin Award ---anyone ? -- Nic Pic-!!!!-- BTW
 
NAA said:
For what you'd get out of an original NAA 1911 at auction you could probably buy 1/2 doz original US&S 1911A1's and still have enough left over to complete the rest of a "must have" WWII 1911A1 collection in minty pairs[Colt, Ithaca & Remington Rands]..... :wave:
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US&S guns aren't super scarce, and it seems there are a few more slides floating around as well. They all have what appears to be somewhat of a painted finish. I know it's original, but looks goofy. I agree, with 1 NAA, you could buy a complete collection of 1911s.

The butt of the C1 Sterling is under the 1911.

Nice pic 'koldt'.... thanks for sharing......
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I took it through the glass case. Had to take around 10 pics to get one that either the flash didn't wash it out, or the focus was blurry. I'm just learning some of the manual features, ie. focus and flash intensity.

This was the first live NAA I have seen. The pic makes it look in worse shape, almost like the bluing was off in those couple of places, but in reality, it didn't look that bad.

I wondering what it would bring at one of the high priced auctions with hype?
In the shape it's in, excellent, I'm thinking maybe $20,000+

Any other thoughts?
 
I was told by a very reliable source that the NAA .45 captured from the nerd in BC was de-watted, and was then used as a demonstrator for whatever version of a "safety course" that BC was using at the time....
My Ross collection holds the pattern pistol- no NAA markings, no visible markings at all aside from a Springfield Inspector's "Eagle/number" stamp on the trigger-guard bow, but under the right grip is "RR Co Que-1918" and "FP" (Fred Porter's stamp)
 
Rossguy said:
My Ross collection holds the pattern pistol- no NAA markings, no visible markings at all aside from a Springfield Inspector's "Eagle/number" stamp on the trigger-guard bow, but under the right grip is "RR Co Que-1918" and "FP" (Fred Porter's stamp)
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I call BS.



Unless of course there are pictures posted;).
 
Mr. Koldt-(Super Moderator)- I must admit that I am truly in awe of your almost unique capability to call BS on anything based on a written description. I still class myself as a rank student, and have collected and studied Ross rifles for more than fifty years now, and 1911 Colt variations for nearly as long.
While the pistol is not technically a Ross product with the 1918 date since your government effectively stole the Ross Factory and assets from Sir Charles Ross back in 1917, the NAA 1911's were built in the Ross Factory, on (stolen) Ross machinery operated by (former) Ross employees, and likely were finally inspected by Fred Porter, Ross Chief Engineer/Superintendent.
Slightly over one hundred pistols were produced there, as well as pseudo-NAA's in small quantities more recently by a gentleman in California. He almost has it down cold, too.The details let him down, though.
For further info and photos, no doubt a scholar such as yourself has an extensive library at hand, so please pull out your copy of Clive Law's Canadian Military Handguns 1855-1985, then turn to page 92, where photos of the pistol in question will be found. The pistol has a documented trail right from the time it was purchased from Fred Porter's Gunshop, and was well-known in both Ontario and Quebec back in the 1960's by serious Ross Collectors, but it was necessary to wait for the original owner to go horizontal and assume ambient temperature for ownership to change.
I have only owned three of the more common NAA production 1911's; early, mid-production and extremely late. As well as these three, I have handled at least thirty genuine (IMHO) survivors as well as five or six exceptionally good copies (also IMHO), still smelling of the Pacific shore in California. The part that always sinks the copies are the unique to Ross/NAA internal machining marks/patterns that are unlike either Colt or any of the other 1911 sub-contractors.It's no problem to eliminate the hammer checkering and the lanyard loop on the mainspring housing, though. No doubt you also own one or more of the common NAA variety, and if you would be so kind as to provide me with it's serial, I could report back as to having viewed it/them or not in the past. BTW, a statement earlier referred to the single serial on the left side of the slide, behind the serrations: this was not normally the only serial- one is usually found on the inside of the trigger on the left side,and yet another under the left grip, right below the top screw bushing.I look forward to continuing this discussion......Rossguy (also IMHO)
 
Dude, relax, I'm just trying to get you to post pictures of your gun. I'd like to see it.:p

I'm trying to keep the discussion alive with some further examples of cool stuff other than the one I took a pic of...

Now, go get your camera, and take some pictures.
 
koldt said:
North American Arms, like this one, was made in the Ross Rifle Company facility. And apparently less than 100 were made. This one being serial number 78, or at least their version of a serial number, as there were no numbers stamped on the frame.

Here is where is was made, or at least it's the grass park area where the Ross factory was. It's now the water reservoir under the grass at the Plains of Abraham.


And here is the R22R museum at the Citadel where this little piece of history was displayed. The cannon points at the museum building.


Me and the family did 2 weeks in the area of Montreal, Quebec City, Kingston, and Ottawa. First time for me being there since '68.

We had a great time in the province of Quebec. Tres beautiful! The people were great, and we loved spending a few days in the east township area. A little more expensive than here, but worth the trip. Very clean. I will be going back to next year's Nationals. Hats off to the folks from Quebec as their pride in community was evident everywhere!

Ontario is a whole different story. Some very nice country, but unfortunately our experience with the locals for a week didn't leave that good of an impression. And even more expensive. Probably won't bother going back for another 40 years if I make it to 90.

We did the normal tourist stuff, Citadel, Ft Henry, Upper Canada Village, the locks/St Lawrence area, Ottawa museums, etc. I was a little underwhelmed with the War Museum. I am hoping that because it is still new, they are 'growing'. It appeared to me that there was a lot of wasted space in the galleries, and were trying for more of a (I don't know of a proper descriptive word), and less of a historical/tutorial theme. I, of course, am more interested in the technical aspect of museums, ie. variants and uses of material, weapons in particular, but I think they had a lot of space that could have displayed a lot more. The artillery/tank area in contrast was very crowded.
To my dismay, in the artillery area in a back wall, they had a small display of 4 VCs..... tucked away that was maybe 5 feet by 4 feet big. Kind of lame. Again I am hoping this was a temporary measure waiting for a proper area to promote those collections and stories of the men who won them.

My wife didn't mind me going to 7 or 8 surplus stores. Sadly, not much real surplus being offered any more.
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Maybe I am a bit confused by your post, But I believe Citadel is in Halifax, or it was the last time I was there a couple of years ago. Did they move it?;)
 
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koldt said:
Dude, relax, I'm just trying to get you to post pictures of your gun. I'd like to see it.:p

I'm trying to keep the discussion alive with some further examples of cool stuff other than the one I took a pic of...

Now, go get your camera, and take some pictures.
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Rossguy, great post above.
I too, would love to see pics of the pistol in question - and while you're at it how about your Ross collection!
 
Rossguy said:
Search "Ross####" and you'll find a lot of them- any special requests beyond those?
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I googled that "ross####" and of course a pile of #### sites were listed. I didn't open any of those and quit looking after the first page.

Any chanse you could provide the address?
 
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