Whats with all the threads about getting 10 rounds into your SKS?

[Knottybuoy]

What you're missing is an understanding of how a magazine can become 'prohibited'. A modified magazine, which would include using something like an elastic band or your hand to expand the capacity of the magazine beyond 5 rounds, would make it a prohibited device.

Adding something to the original design of the magazine so it contains more than 5 rounds is no different legally than if you simply removed the 5 round pin.

I agree that adding something to the magazine to increase capacity would make it a prohibited device. However, simply leaving the magazine floorplate unlatched does not seem to be a 'modification' as it is designed to unlatch and swing open. The only reason why this would work as described is that there is an inner wall to the magazine, and an outer wall with the floorplate. 10 rounds takes up the depth of the inner wall.

I will take a look through the actual legislation, and definitions of the wordings later on when I have time. As we all know that Firearms legislation does not involve common sense, you could very well be correct, however, in the meantime, commonsense would appear to indicate that simply leaving the floorplate unlatched for the first 5 rounds fired is not a modification, as you are merely utilizing a feature the original design. The idea that a magazine has been 'modified' would imply a permanent addition or subtraction of a physical feature, no?

Any lawyers reading the thread have an opinion on this?

 

[Knottybuoy]

Also, if this is the case, wouldn't all of our original SKS magazines then be prohibited devices, as they are all capable of this. And once more, how could someone be convicted in a Courtroom when physical evidence must be presented? This evidence would consist of a standard SKS magazine, pinned to 5 rounds...

 

[Captain Paul]

tippytoe!!!

 

[st1264]

Again, this is an idea. You don't even know if it is going to work. It puts you in a non-conventional shooting hold and I wouldn't be putting my fingers into or near an open magazine and action... but that's me.

 

[Knottybuoy]

Again, this is an idea. You don't even know if it is going to work. It puts you in a non-conventional shooting hold and I wouldn't be putting my fingers into or near an open magazine and action... but that's me.

Oh, I agree 100%. Being a violinist and a pianist, I would never, ever do something that puts my fingers at risk. Your fingers, in this case, they do no go into an open action or magazine.

Again shooting position, whether or not it is ackward, will depend mostly on the length of your arms. Mine happen to be the perfect length.

 

[mwjones]

 

[Dakk]

Also, if this is the case, wouldn't all of our original SKS magazines then be prohibited devices, as they are all capable of this.

No, they aren't capable of it when used as designed. When you leave them unlatched and use your hand to apply upward pressure to contain more than 5 rounds, you are effectively altering the legal design of the magazine. Your hand has then become part of the 'device' used to feed rounds into the rifle, and you have essentially modified the magazine from its legal design.

 

[Knottybuoy]

No, they aren't capable of it when used as designed. When you leave them unlatched and use your hand to apply upward pressure to contain more than 5 rounds, you are effectively altering the legal design of the magazine. Your hand has then become part of the 'device' used to feed rounds into the rifle, and you have essentially modified the magazine from its legal design.

Can any lawyers on the forum corroborate this?

I've looked up definitions, and in none do they state that your hand is, or can be, a 'device'

If full auto is illegal in Canada, however, it is legal to bump-fire a semi-automatic, does the same logic apply to this magazine situation. We all know it would be illegal to have a 'device' that operates the trigger in a rapid fashion, however, being that your hands are not devices, the act of bump-firing is completely legal. Slide-fire stocks, being classified as a 'device', are illegal.

Therefore, applying this knowledge, using say a rubber band to keep the magazine closed would be illegal, but not with your hands, as your hands are not 'devices'

 

[st1264]

No, they aren't capable of it when used as designed. When you leave them unlatched and use your hand to apply upward pressure to contain more than 5 rounds, you are effectively altering the legal design of the magazine. Your hand has then become part of the 'device' used to feed rounds into the rifle, and you have essentially modified the magazine from its legal design.

Absolutely. ^^^

Hope Mods move this to the Legalese section where this belongs... this section is about Red Rifles, not the legalities of a magazine. OP, your lawyers are up there in the Legalese section.

 

[mdmaroon]

What if you remove the magazine, and then use your hand to shove rounds in through the bottom using a stripper clip?

Only problem is you might lose a finger. You could probably do it about five times before you don't have enough fingers left to push the rounds in. Maybe the raw stump of your hand could work though, so it could be feasable.

The question is, would this mean 10 round stripper clips would become prohibited devices? I say no, because clips are not magazines, as we are often reminded.

 

[st1264]

!!! !!!

 

[Captain Paul]

What if you remove the magazine, and then use your hand to shove rounds in through the bottom using a stripper clip?

Only problem is you might lose a finger. You could probably do it about five times before you don't have enough fingers left to push the rounds in. Maybe the raw stump of your hand could work though, so it could be feasable.

The question is, would this mean 10 round stripper clips would become prohibited devices? I say no, because clips are not magazines, as we are often reminded.

 

[SmartLikeTruck]

Hmmm, don't semi-autos with a floating firing pin have a higher incidence of Out Of Battery firing? Steel cased ammo have a higher incidence of case head separation?
I ain't sticking my hand or anything else directly above or below the action!

 

[Billythreefeathers]

No jamming body parts into moving machinery,,

 

[pavmentsurfer]

Im just curious... how would someone catch you doing this or prove it? Lets just say it DOES work... if you see the police just let go of your hand and the rounds drop out. Im not suggesting anyone break the law, I dont believe this would be personally. Its no different than loading the rounds by hand IMO. BUT... I just cant see how anyone could get caught. That part of the argument is ridiculous IMO.

 

[hunterinthewoods]

^^^^^^^ This whole thread is ridiculous

 

[tiriaq]

OK, I don't have an SKS at hand. I think I know how the method suggested here would work. I suspect that it would be quite functional, and would not involve any fingers or other body parts getting caught in the machinery. I suspect that there would be no difficulty firing a 10 shot string.
I'm not going to describe my interpretation of how to do this.
I am also not going to speculate on the legality of this method.
I would be very concerned that if folks started doing this, the powers-that-be might very well amend the acceptable methods of restricting SKS magazines to prevent this from being done.
For this reason, I'm locking this thread.