whats wrong with a Remington MLS 50 cal

In BC our muzzle loading season was limited to only a tiny area in the north and the difference in actual harvest I suspect was neglible. At the time that the season was taken way inlines were (and still are) fairly uncommon but it was the perception of their range and effectiveness which was used as the excuse to eliminate the season. I suspect in part it was due to a series of magazine articles that came out in a Canadian outdoor magazine that largely created this perception.
To repeat my earlier comment; I resent that inlines have taken a potential season away from me and I am cynical of those who would claim that inlines are duplicating the traditions of the 1800's. If they say I am using any gimmick I can to get an extra deer or and extra 2 weeks hunting then I accept that although I do not like it philosophically and consider it self centered relative to those the season was originally created for.

cheers mooncoon
 
This last ML season a buddy of mine got out his break open, scope equipped inline and shot 4 deer with it. He recovered 1. This is by the most expirienced hunter I've met.
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This is a joke right..........I could say the same thing about some guy using a traditional rifle and ball, but I'm not as obviously biased against anyone "not using the same equipment as me" as you are so I wont......
 
Well perhaps Ontario's laws need a revision. Here in Quebec, we are only allowed ONE deer with a firearm per year... so if I get it two weeks early during the ML season, then I sit out the smokeless season. Seems fair to me. I am not sure if this includes bow as well, or if you can take one with a bow and then another with a firearm. Though I suppose that you would have a problem if I used a compound rather than a recurve...

No matter how you look at it however, inlines will give you a slight advantage over the most traditional ML, but even the most modern inline does not come close to the ballistics offered by many of the modern certerfires.

Oh ya, and Claven, these breech loading muzzle loaders you speak of, well if im not mistaken these would not be allowed during the BP season as it does not load by the muzzle...
 
Steyr101 said:
Well perhaps Ontario's laws need a revision. Here in Quebec, we are only allowed ONE deer with a firearm per year... so if I get it two weeks early during the ML season, then I sit out the smokeless season. Seems fair to me.
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Slow down there,no sense getting crazy. We have loads of deer and the population is still climbing. Nothing wrong with wackin a few deer a year if the population can handle it.
 
gth said:
Slow down there,no sense getting crazy. We have loads of deer and the population is still climbing. Nothing wrong with wackin a few deer a year if the population can handle it.
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If the current seasons are not controlling the deer then why are the seasons not being extended? (assuming they aren't)

cheers mooncoon
 
Here in SOUTHERN Ontario, you can almost get as many tags as you want in some zones, though it's (I think) $35 per extra tag.

Anyhow, I'm not going to thumb my nose at someone using an inline if they like it and it's still legal and it doesn't take away the ML season. It's still not my style at all though and I' PERSONALLY never going to warm to the idea. If someone sel does, more power to them.

Frnakly though, hunting deer with a scope is not very challenging at all. Traditional muzzleloading IS challenging and that's one of the reasons I like it so much! :)
 
mooncoon said:
If the current seasons are not controlling the deer then why are the seasons not being extended? (assuming they aren't)

cheers mooncoon
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Your right, the seasons should be extended. They would only extend the season if the MNR could figure out a way to charge more money to hunt the second week. Its all about dollars here in Ontario and not about conservation.

Right now my area I can get 6 tags, I usually only buy 3 or 4. The deer population is through the roof and climing. In my area its mostly due to large tracts of land with incredible habitat that are posted to hunting. These areas act like feeders for the surrounding area. The hunters really just clean up the overflow.
 
Claven2 said:
Frnakly though, hunting deer with a scope is not very challenging at all. Traditional muzzleloading IS challenging and that's one of the reasons I like it so much! :)
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Thanks for that, I thought I pretty much had you pegged. Now I know I do.
 
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This last ML season a buddy of mine got out his break open, scope equipped inline and shot 4 deer with it. He recovered 1. This is by the most expirienced hunter I've met.


"This is a joke right..........I could say the same thing about some guy using a traditional rifle and ball, but I'm not as obviously biased against anyone "not using the same equipment as me" as you are so I wont......"

No it is not a joke. The buddy of mine used a traditional rifle for years with heavy conicals and lost maybe 2 deer. He went to the inline and scope for the longer range as have other inline users I have talked to. His first season he looses more deer that in the previous 8-9 years.
If my observations are "obviously biased " in your mind then that's your problem.
 
to answer the origianl question- Omegas are $300- Rem discontinued ML but are know coming out with a new ML called the Genisis different then Omega- (no rolling block.) I have read a few articles on it from American mags but I would assume it will b a cpl years befor it comes up this way. I loved my Rem but bolt was a pain in ass to clean. Omega is the only way to go for know until Rem comes out with new design and then we will see. As for using modern in line vs traditional. I still limit myself to 125 yrds or less with my modern and u still only get one shot so u better make it count. Wether u are using round balls, conicals or sabots u still are slinging lead, still have to hit vitals, still have to get close. Same argument could b made for archery- traditional vs compound. But u dont here those 2 camps arguing they instead like to gang up on cross bows. There will always b 1 camp that likes progression then there are others who consider themselves purists and think they are better then others because they hunt like our forefathers. I say use whatever u like as long as u harvest an animal with as little suffering as possible.
 
cdnrokon said:
Hey guys and gals I have been trying to sell a trade in.. brand new in the box
stainless 50 cal with syn/camo stock no one seems to be interested at $500.00 what is wrong with this gun? Why did Remington drop out of ML .
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Acording to Remingtons site, you are about $109.00 more than a new Genesis MLS in stainless Mossey Oak. Drop that price to about $375.00 and she should go. If it's a trade in, then it's used. I don't care about NIB. I won't pay the same money or more from a private seller, then I would new from a dealer.
 
gth said:
Thanks for that, I thought I pretty much had you pegged. Now I know I do.
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It must be nice to be right all the time. By the way, I prayed to you to win the lottery and you didn't follow through God... Why?
 
theDuck said:
No it is not a joke. The buddy of mine used a traditional rifle for years with heavy conicals and lost maybe 2 deer. He went to the inline and scope for the longer range as have other inline users I have talked to. His first season he looses more deer that in the previous 8-9 years.
If my observations are "obviously biased " in your mind then that's your problem.
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OK fine, thats truly your observation, (lets assume his inline was sighted properly and was using a load with enough smack to kill a deer), based on your observation are you going to say that because someone wounds a bunch of deer with an inline all inlines dont kill as well as traditional rifle?
 
All this back and forth about inline v traditional is very interesting and entertaining. One element that seems to be missing, however, is the recognition that our "forefathers" would use the best equipment they could afford/acquire for the job at hand. If you read many of the old timers it is clear that even in the good old days there were leader's and followers. There were also many more lock variations than just the traditional side-lock.

Thanks for all the entertainment, 44Bore
 
gth said:
OK fine, thats truly your observation, (lets assume his inline was sighted properly and was using a load with enough smack to kill a deer), based on your observation are you going to say that because someone wounds a bunch of deer with an inline all inlines dont kill as well as traditional rifle?
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I think he's trying to say two things: 1) the inline he used shot a small projectile than a .58 Minie. 2) the in-line and scope made him (perhaps ill-advisedly) more confident to take a longer shot than really should have been attempted and the projectile didn;t hit hard anough when it got to the deer to do the job.

Be that the shooter's fault or the fault of equipment set up to perform at rnages longer than should be attempted is debatable.
 
44Bore said:
All this back and forth about inline v traditional is very interesting and entertaining. One element that seems to be missing, however, is the recognition that our "forefathers" would use the best equipment they could afford/acquire for the job at hand. If you read many of the old timers it is clear that even in the good old days there were leader's and followers. There were also many more lock variations than just the traditional side-lock.

Thanks for all the entertainment, 44Bore
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I agree, back then when you needed to kill the deer or your children starved, you;d be CRAZY not to use the best kit you could acquire.

That being said, the modern Ontario muzzle-loader season really isn;t about providing for your family in MY OPINION. Though I know gth's opinion will be different just so he can disagree with me on yet something else... :p
 
44Bore said:
All this back and forth about inline v traditional is very interesting and entertaining. One element that seems to be missing, however, is the recognition that our "forefathers" would use the best equipment they could afford/acquire for the job at hand.
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It seems to me that 44bore is missing the point; he seems to be suggesting that a 30-06 would be acceptable in muzzle loading season because if Jim Bridger had one he would have used it. The real point is that some areas have a special season for guns and for archery which put the users at a disadvantage. Some people choose to use them because of a mixture of challenge and of romanticising about the era in which those (muzzle loading) guns were built and used. When people hunt in these special seasons using modern guns that feature neither the challenge nor the romanticism of the traditional gun, they are providing the justification for eliminating the special season because the criteria for its existence no longer exists or alternately is percieved to no longer exist.
As someone who owns and shoots both modern and antique guns, I can understand why Ontario may wish to have a longer deer season but it absolutely escapes me why they have special muzzle loading season in its present form.

cheers mooncoon
 
Claven2 said:
That being said, the modern Ontario muzzle-loader season really isn;t about providing for your family in MY OPINION. Though I know gth's opinion will be different just so he can disagree with me on yet something else... :p
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I'm not gonna starve if I dont shoot a deer so I wont disagree with that. I will say, MY OPINION is that the Ontario Muzzle-loader season is about hunting.;) Traditional rifle or otherwise, hell you can even wear your "Hunter Orange Buckskins" if you wish......:D
 
mooncoon said:
When people hunt in these special seasons using modern guns that feature neither the challenge nor the romanticism of the traditional gun, they are providing the justification for eliminating the special season because the criteria for its existence no longer exists or alternately is percieved to no longer exist.
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I have to disagree, I dont think the muzzleloader season was created soley for the benefit of the traditionalist hunter or to provide and opportunuity for romanticism of the traditional gun/hunt.

Its and extra season for muzzleloading guns plain and simple, so how can you say that the inline hunters put the season in jeopardy, percieved or not. Do compound bow or crossbow hunters put the archery season in jeapordy for the traditional recurve archers?????
 
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