What's your definition of a good grouping size?

Really does depend on the firearm, some guns are just simply not capable of really tight groupings.

For me it is as follows.

S&W 52-2: 1" groups or less at 25 yds. one handed Bullseye style. Very accurate gun but very unforgiving.

S&W 686-6: On average I can easily manage 2-2.5" and smaller groupings at 25 yds, using .38spl full wadcutters. Can get sub 1" with much effort.

Buckmark, ruger & S&W 41 .22 Easily all within 1-2" with effort, add a red dot sight, even easier, single raggedy holes.

Glock 17 2-4" groups depending on the day, taking my time, the glock 17 is a tremendously accurate gun, once used to the trigger, I find it can have advantages for accuracy being kind of squishy.

CZ 85 combat, 2-3" groups with some effort easily.

One of my favourites for last a STi spartan in .45 as delivered by armco.

Easy 2" groups, one of the easiest to shoot, most forgiving guns I ever owned, I could rapid fire it, meaning as soon as I got the sights settled on the center of the target again, I pulled the trigger, less than 1 second between shots, could easily achieve 3-5" groups, it was phenomenal
 
If I can get at least 5 out of 10 within 5" and the remainder within 8" im happy. This has been the case with all of my combat handguns. If im hitting centre mass that'll do for me

I agree it varies per gun. All of my .357's with .38spcls I could group 7 out of 10 within 4" in single action/remainder in 6" and all 10 within 8" in DA

My Buckmark was so easy to shoot it was boring

I had a H&r .22 revolver 9 shot that I'd be lucky to get 3 on the paper with lol.

Btw at my range I can only fire ten rounds at a time in two mags (5 rounds per mag) between cease fires and no rapid fire....:bangHead:
 
Never was very comfortable shooting with one hand and not very good at it. Way more than 2x as steady with 2, guessing its the leverage thing. I'd need way more practice to build the upper arm strength and muscle memory to hold the damn gun still with one arm. At $30 a box of 50 it is way to easy to burn through a $100+ in no time and I have way to many hungry guns to feed. One being a ravenous Savage 110 BA with a taste for porterhouse sized and priced rounds.
I do take my hat off to those of you who can and admire those shooters who can group consistently under pressure, in competition and in situations of duress.
 
First time shooting my uberti late model army .45 lc I got a 5 round group that would fit in my hand print. It was at 15 yds but low and to the right. The next time I went out I slowed my breathing and took into consideration the curvature of the earth and shot the entire way around the planet throughout every thing in the path and all 5 shots went straight up my ass.
 
Gasoline boy said:
First time shooting my uberti late model army .45 lc I got a 5 round group that would fit in my hand print. It was at 15 yds but low and to the right. The next time I went out I slowed my breathing and took into consideration the curvature of the earth and shot the entire way around the planet throughout every thing in the path and all 5 shots went straight up my ass.
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And now you've become a super a$$ hole.:eek:
 
If I can put 10 shots into the black of a NRA target at 20 yards, I consider that good shooting for me and an accurate pistol. I have found that even cheap guns (a Rossi with fixed sights) and even short barreled guns can shoot well withthe right load.

If all you shoot is factory ammo, your groups are probably at least twice the size you and the gun are capable of.

Most of my handguns will do this, but most have their own unique load. makes ammo inventory a challenge.

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Grouping is meaningless without a decent rate of fire.

If I can put three in a chest-sized target in 3 seconds at 10 yds, I consider my grouping to be excellent. If you put 3 in a 1 inch circle in 10 seconds at 20 yds, don't be proud of yourself. The time it takes to be that precise is just too long and sadly pointless.

A pistol is not and will never be a precision firearm. If you want to drive a tack, get a rifle.
 
If we consider the standard of 1 MOA accuracy as representive of rifle accuracy, then 10 MOA is representive of handgun accuracy, and 5 MOA for handguns that are tweaked for target shooting.

As with rifles, barrel length has little to do with intrinsic accuracy, and I've shot snubby revolvers that were surprisingly accurate; but the way in which a barrel is attached to the frame is much more important than its length with respect to accuracy. Revolvers that are line bored, have the forcing cone tappered, and have the throats modified so the bullet is fully in the barrel before it engages the rifling, can be expected to shoot much tighter than an off the shelf pistol. Autos can be made more accurate when their tolerances are reduced, although potentially at the cost of reliability.

Match grade handguns naturally cost more than do standard handguns, but does a 10 MOA marksman benefit from spending 2 or 3 times as much for his pistol to gain an accuracy potential he cannot use?
 
maetsack said:
Grouping is meaningless without a decent rate of fire.

If I can put three in a chest-sized target in 3 seconds at 10 yds, I consider my grouping to be excellent. If you put 3 in a 1 inch circle in 10 seconds at 20 yds, don't be proud of yourself. The time it takes to be that precise is just too long and sadly pointless.

A pistol is not and will never be a precision firearm. If you want to drive a tack, get a rifle.
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The goal of all pistol shooting is not always to be able to shoot fast accurately, different strokes for different folks, live and let live.

There are handgun shooters our there that could hit a 2" target at 200M with the right gun, how is that not accurate?
 
Just to cement my place in the ranks of average shooters, the last time I was out doing load testing with my Norc Commander in .45ACP my groups were typically running 2-2.5" at 10 yds. Some were under 2", but most weren't. This was offhand, using two hands in semi-slow fire. I will usually do a bit better than that with my 22/45 due to minimal recoil and it being deadly accurate.


Mark
 
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