What's your home defence handgun?

Anyone who PLANS to use a handgun, rifle or shotgun loaded with buckshot or slugs for in home defense is not really thinking the issue through.

I was told many years ago, by an RCMP officer, that the only 'home defense' firearm to have on hand is a shotgun loaded with small birdshot.

No-one can say you have it 'just for' or 'set up for' shooting anyone. Basicaly your hunting gun or bush carry gun loaded with bird shot. Very defensible in court after the fact.

As well, the birdshot is very effective at the distances involved with an 'in home' shooting. It will either kill or incapacitate an attacker -and it MUST be an attacker not just an intruder- with one shot.

Birdshot does not have any of the issues with over-penetration associated with it that single projectile or buckshot loads have. In other words you do not want to shoot a round that can penetrate walls and kill or injure your children, spouse, neighbors etc.

It was good advice 30 years ago and I think it still stands up today.

John
 
John in B.C. said:
Anyone who PLANS to use a handgun, rifle or shotgun loaded with buckshot or slugs for in home defense is not really thinking the issue through.

I was told many years ago, by an RCMP officer, that the only 'home defense' firearm to have on hand is a shotgun loaded with small birdshot.

No-one can say you have it 'just for' or 'set up for' shooting anyone. Basicaly your hunting gun or bush carry gun loaded with bird shot. Very defensible in court after the fact.

As well, the birdshot is very effective at the distances involved with an 'in home' shooting. It will either kill or incapacitate an attacker -and it MUST be an attacker not just an intruder- with one shot.

Birdshot does not have any of the issues with over-penetration associated with it that single projectile or buckshot loads have. In other words you do not want to shoot a round that can penetrate walls and kill or injure your children, spouse, neighbors etc.

It was good advice 30 years ago and I think it still stands up today.

John
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the thing is that, either using a shotgun or a pistol or whatever in a situation of armed home invasion will get you booked for an investigation for sure....at the end the result will be the same as far as the pistol has been stored legaly and proofs are made your life was at threat .....no law ever said you shouldn't be able to reach your firearm in a true case of self-defence involving an armed criminal.
 
Well, since you can't have it preloaded anyway, you just5 grab whicever ammo comes to hand. Due to the limited number of persons in the house, home design and fields of fire overpenetration isn't a concern for me (other than damaging the house or objects therein) though it may well be for others. The problem with small bird shot is that it can be ineffective in some circumstances.
 
Armafix said:
Where is it said that your guns must be locked in a safe while you are at home?

:cheers: Kazimier
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unless you're in clean up mode,pistol temporarly disabled-stripped, your pistols shouldn't be on display unstored and in function in the house.

they will charge you even in a serious self-defence case for an additional unsafe storage charge....
 
DANCESWITHEMPTIES said:
Just get married & wait....JUST YOU PHUNKIN WAIT...:D:p...They usually best develop when you park their azz on a couch for ten years watchin Oprah & suckin on bonbons...
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But will they be mobile and fast enough to help.. or do you have to slip a pork chop into the intruders pocket before this #### gets taken care of?.... Questions, oh the questions...
 
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I used to go with battery acid but reloads under pressure are a bit tough. Ever try to lift a car battery and pour the contents carefully, while fending off an attacker? The fill hole is so small!

So now I've switched to napthalene and a Bic lighter! No trigger locks, no safe storage issues, no RPAL! And it's self-illuminating so there's no need for lights or glowing sights! So simple, even the kids can use it!

:D
 
John in B.C. said:
Anyone who PLANS to use a handgun, rifle or shotgun loaded with buckshot or slugs for in home defense is not really thinking the issue through.

I was told many years ago, by an RCMP officer, that the only 'home defense' firearm to have on hand is a shotgun loaded with small birdshot.

No-one can say you have it 'just for' or 'set up for' shooting anyone. Basicaly your hunting gun or bush carry gun loaded with bird shot. Very defensible in court after the fact.

As well, the birdshot is very effective at the distances involved with an 'in home' shooting. It will either kill or incapacitate an attacker -and it MUST be an attacker not just an intruder- with one shot.

Birdshot does not have any of the issues with over-penetration associated with it that single projectile or buckshot loads have. In other words you do not want to shoot a round that can penetrate walls and kill or injure your children, spouse, neighbors etc.

It was good advice 30 years ago and I think it still stands up today.

John
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Thank you for the validation. I still stand by my earlier posting of shotgun and #5. I believe that is an excellent load for large upland game bird (so it is can be lead). #8 or #9, I believe, might be a little light.
 
110 lb German Shepherd and a wife with a reeeeaaaal bad disposition. I pity the poor sucker that breaks in, its not the dog he has to worry about!
 
John in B.C. said:
Anyone who PLANS to use a handgun, rifle or shotgun loaded with buckshot or slugs for in home defense is not really thinking the issue through.

I was told many years ago, by an RCMP officer, that the only 'home defense' firearm to have on hand is a shotgun loaded with small birdshot.

No-one can say you have it 'just for' or 'set up for' shooting anyone. Basicaly your hunting gun or bush carry gun loaded with bird shot. Very defensible in court after the fact.

As well, the birdshot is very effective at the distances involved with an 'in home' shooting. It will either kill or incapacitate an attacker -and it MUST be an attacker not just an intruder- with one shot.

Birdshot does not have any of the issues with over-penetration associated with it that single projectile or buckshot loads have. In other words you do not want to shoot a round that can penetrate walls and kill or injure your children, spouse, neighbors etc.

It was good advice 30 years ago and I think it still stands up today.

John
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Here's a link to a site that tested shotguns and a quote from there.
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3_2.htm
When To Use Birdshot
A friend of AR15.com sends this:

"I saw a gunshot victim, about 5' 10" and 200 lbs, taken to the operating room with a shotgun wound to the chest. He was shot at a range of six feet at a distance of just over the pectoralis muscle. He was sitting on his front porch and walked to the ambulance. We explored the chest after x-rays were taken. The ER doc had said 'buckshot' wound, but this was obviously not accurate.

It was # 6 shot. There was a crater in the skin over an inch in diameter. When the shot hit the level of the ribs, it spread out about five inches. There was ONE pellet that had passed between the ribs and entered the pericardium, but not damaged the heart at all. As you say, 'use birdshot for little birds.'"
 
12 gauge, coachgun, short, easy to operate (when half asleep and in the dark), JUST POINT...no aiming involved !!

sorry, just re-read thread....didn't see the "home defense pistol"...i geuss i should have , seeing what forum it was in , and everything !!LOL
 
sigtactical said:
unless you're in clean up mode,pistol temporarly disabled-stripped, your pistols shouldn't be on display unstored and in function in the house.

they will charge you even in a serious self-defence case for an additional unsafe storage charge....
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And you are absolutely positive you are right, aren't you?

Regards, Kazimier
 
If your shot can't penetrate walls, then how do you think it is going to penetrate an intruder and their clothing and ribcage. Wounding an intruder who has gone through all the trouble of breaking into an occupied house is dumb. This person may also be armed. If you shoot you shoot to kill only. Ask the cops why they don't carry birdshot.

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