Whats your most accurate bpcr at 300 to 400 yards
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I have a lot of black powder rifles, but my most accurate at 300 are my Shiloh #3 1:16 twist 40-65, Shiloh Long Range Express 1:16 twist 45-90, and my 16# bull barreled Shiloh 1:16 twist 45-100. All have shot 10 shot sub-MOA groups at 300 yards with Swiss 1.5 and Buffalo Arms Money bullets.
All shot from prone.
The #3 in 40-65 has won lots of matches, the 45-90 placed second at the BPTRA long range championships in Byers and put up the best 1000 yard target of the match. The 45-100 never got to a long range match, but I'm pretty confident it's capable of winning.
Some of my others are quite good, but those ones are nearly magical.
Now I won't say that they'll always shoot that well, but when shooting at the NRA 300yd target it's pretty rare that they'll shoot worse than a 99 with a good x count.
Chris.
All shot from prone.
The #3 in 40-65 has won lots of matches, the 45-90 placed second at the BPTRA long range championships in Byers and put up the best 1000 yard target of the match. The 45-100 never got to a long range match, but I'm pretty confident it's capable of winning.
Some of my others are quite good, but those ones are nearly magical.
Now I won't say that they'll always shoot that well, but when shooting at the NRA 300yd target it's pretty rare that they'll shoot worse than a 99 with a good x count.
Chris.
So is it a cartridge rifle shooting bp, or is it a rifle using bp cartridges, bp cr or bpc r
have seen a couple events that have opened the 'rules' to allow rifles with bp cartridges using smokeless and cast @ bp-type velocities
I'm glad, I can take out the Marlin and the Cimarron, the 1885 is more accurate than I am
I think buddy just poking fun at the term....
Some guy think that the smokeless use in these more original cartridges, is a bit of a cheat, not so within the spirit of the game.
The smokeless has of course no smoke, far less fouling, the quirks of the loading, using a blow tube, heck even cleaning after a shot in some cases..ect.
In the Blackpowder club I go to, we have a cartridge Frontier style shooters aspect...They shoot olde style cartridges like 45-70 and the like in sharps, rolling block, high wall ect single shot guns, but we allow the use of smokeless...
Me personally, I do think it is kinda cheating... but not to say it doesnt have its place, as the day of when these cartridges were in use of long range competitions, they had both propellants. Nitro express cartridges if you will......
Purists and Traditionalists.
Some guy think that the smokeless use in these more original cartridges, is a bit of a cheat, not so within the spirit of the game.
The smokeless has of course no smoke, far less fouling, the quirks of the loading, using a blow tube, heck even cleaning after a shot in some cases..ect.
In the Blackpowder club I go to, we have a cartridge Frontier style shooters aspect...They shoot olde style cartridges like 45-70 and the like in sharps, rolling block, high wall ect single shot guns, but we allow the use of smokeless...
Me personally, I do think it is kinda cheating... but not to say it doesnt have its place, as the day of when these cartridges were in use of long range competitions, they had both propellants. Nitro express cartridges if you will......
Purists and Traditionalists.
Nationally sanctioned American BPCR competitions like Silhouette are very specific on the powder , and it is black only or a BP substitute such as Pyrodex .
Some matches may allow for duplex loading like our DCRA matches, but it is up to the discretion of the Match director.
Otherwise the DCRA only allows real black powder or a substitute like Pyrodex.
As far as I know , the Alberta Provincial Back Powder Association still only allows real black powder or a substitute as well.
Otherwise it's wide open . For me personally, when I shoot a black powder cartridge rifle chambered in a traditional black powder cartrige, it's BP only with a paper patched or grease grooved bullet, no cup ad core or other type of bullet. I have a few friends who shoot their Sharpsnand Highwalls, etc. loaded with smokeless however.
Cat
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I see it the same as you. These rifles can shoot way better than most people think when shot with straight bp and traditional bullets. In my 32-40's and 38-55's I do shoot smokeless as well as black though.
Sniders and Martinis can both score well at a moderate distance like 300 or 400 yards. The main difficulty is finding the proper sight setting. My favorite Snider, for example, requires a "fine sight" with setting of 400 yards to allow a 6-oclock hold on a bull at 300m.
milsurpo
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3" at 300 yards 10 shot groups prone off of sticks is awesome. Do you clean bore between shots?
Your 40/65 ,are you casting your bullets or buying them?
If you cast them. Are you sizing them? I'm not seeing any H&I 408 to 410" sizing dies in Canada
What do you find is the longest accurate range limits of you 32-40win and 38-55?I see it the same as you. These rifles can shoot way better than most people think when shot with straight bp and traditional bullets. In my 32-40's and 38-55's I do shoot smokeless as well as black though.
I'm guessing not windy where you shoot in BC?
I have cast 40/65 and 45/70 bullets both paper patched and greasers with RCBS and NOE molds. I sized them as well .
Cat
In cowboy action we have side matches.
We can use black or smokeless. In side matches we can't clean barrel between shots or make sight adjustments. Ranges are unknown until day of shoot.
I recently bought a 40-70 1874 c. Sharps arms off this forum.
Bought a 400 grain mold from a different guy off this forum.
I tried a few loads with black and also with tral boss.
Then I had surgery and haven't been able to shoot it since but I'm recovering and getting back into my loading room.
I've never shot cowboy action so am not aware of their rules for cartridges.
I have a friend who shoots a 40/70, but he is a traditional BPCR and muzzle loading shooter, I don't think he's ever done any cowboy action shooting either.
this Montana sharps
It came with a crap load of stuff with it including 350 grain lead bullets that I’ve been trying with few different loads in the rifle.
I did however buy a used 400 grain Lyman mold for the gun.
40 cal is hard to buy or get stuff for.
My 400 grain cast an undersized 0.398 “ nose and 0.408” body
The bought 350 grain bullet is 0.402” bore riding nose and 0.408” body
I have no sizing die and I’ve only tried one load of ffg with the 400 grain bullet
5 shots at 100 yards in 2.5” group and I don’t clean bore between shots
Now with the 350 grain I tried a bunch of different loads and I didn’t get much accuracy except for one load of trail boss that grouped 5 shots in a 2.25” group at 100 yards.
I would like to get a h&i sizing die for my Lyman 450
All I’ve found online is expensive custom made dies down in the states
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not gonna waist my time or ammo to attend that one...turns shooting these pumpkin chucker's into a guessing game more than an accuracy/good shooting contest
I've got some old goex. I bought a bunch of sheutzen. No Swiss available in my area.
Sheutzen I find more dirty than goex but all I can buy and it's not cheap.
I normally shoot black but my friend who usually runs the matches needs a lung transplant. He is up there in age. Black powder bothers him so my match guns I'm going to shoot smokeless just because of him.
But at home. I'm also going to keep shooting black.
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Thats what I was told when I started working up duplex loads for my 45-90 so I switched to straight BP. Don’t intend to shoot in a sanctioned event, I just like to experience “the old ways”. For me, that is the whole point of shooting vintage type guns. It’s also why I refuse to put radial tires on my model A or an OD trans, or convert it to 12 volt. The point of owning and driving it is for the vintage experience. For the record, I do have a couple other model A’s that are modified ( hotrodded), my car version of smokeless in a BP cartridge (which I do for my .500 BPE). To each his own but the point was that, yes, I was told that the ABPA requires BP only in cartridge shoots, no duplex loads. When I asked, I was told that they sound different and thst is how it can be determined if one is shooting duplex or straight black loads. I dunno about that, could be.
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Thats my kind of shoot. I am more into challenging myself and having fun than I am about score. Some will say “there’s no fun in losing” and that is true when the contest is not overly challenging. No fun shooting a 36” target at 50 yards but hit a thumbtack offhand at 25, Thats fun and it’s not as discouraging when you miss a challenging target.
