Whats your most accurate long range cast bullet outfit?

Above picture is of spaghetti 45 colt at 100 yards.
Like with other spaghetti reproductions it took a bunch of playing around just to get not the best results.
My Montana sharps is much more accurate and not as fussy.
I’m thinking barrel and chamber quality is everything
 
Valiant said:
Sorry for multipol outdated replies. For some reason my screan is getting refreshed only after i post. Anyway thanks for your posts Bryan.
I guess my question is with your reproduction. When new did it shoot that good? Did you have to break in the barrel or do anything to it? Did your gun ever lead just a head of its chamber? What does your barrel groove diameter and what size of bullet are you shooting?
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I didn't get mine new. It is a 1997 imported by Cabela's. I got it in 2009. It was used for CAS, so I can only assume many rounds went through it before I got it. Since then I have put a few thousand non-CAS rounds through it. Shoots just as good now as when I got it back then. The one thing I did do was replace the bolt. The old one had a pin, the newer ones have the key. https://winchestercollector.org/for...r-model-of-1866-and-winchester-model-of-1873/
 
You mentioned Montana guns. I have a few Shiloh Sharps rifles that I use for silhouette and some I've used for mid and long range NRA & BPTR matches. One day I wanted to get an idea of the average accuracy of my Shiloh #3 in 40-65 with my standard silhouette load shooting prone. ( Rem brass, Fed LR pistol primers, 62gr Swiss 1.5, 400gr Money bullet ( BACO 409400m3, 16:1, DGL lube ).

I shot a total of 36 shots on the NRA 300 yard target ( x ring a little under one MOA and 10 ring just under 2 MOA ).
Of the 36 shots, 20 were in the X ring, 13 more in the 10 ring, and 3 in the 9 ring. I think that gives a decent feeling for the average accuracy of this gun on a day with good wind conditions.

Chris.
 
gunlaker said:
You mentioned Montana guns. I have a few Shiloh Sharps rifles that I use for silhouette and some I've used for mid and long range NRA & BPTR matches. One day I wanted to get an idea of the average accuracy of my Shiloh #3 in 40-65 with my standard silhouette load shooting prone. ( Rem brass, Fed LR pistol primers, 62gr Swiss 1.5, 400gr Money bullet ( BACO 409400m3, 16:1, DGL lube ).

I shot a total of 36 shots on the NRA 300 yard target ( x ring a little under one MOA and 10 ring just under 2 MOA ).
Of the 36 shots, 20 were in the X ring, 13 more in the 10 ring, and 3 in the 9 ring. I think that gives a decent feeling for the average accuracy of this gun on a day with good wind conditions.

Chris.
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Im definately a 40 cal fan.

With the 32/40
Im curious if you or others on here feel that a gain twist or a slower 1 in 16 twist gives a 32/40 180 grain a accuracy advantage over say a 180 grain 30 cal With a 1 in 10 or a 1 in 12” twist or are the schuetzen rifles great groups more about better quality barrels and chambers plus the breach seating?
 
I think the quality barrel and the breech seating makes the difference. Although I think that the guys in the cast bullet association matches shoot groups just as good, but with 30 cal and smaller with gas checks and higher velocity. I haven't looked into it too deeply, but I think they basically use a custom chamber designed for a particular bullet, also I think neck turning is common. Not too different than modern benchrest in some of the classes I think.
Breech seating does make it much easier. But you do want a good barrel for sure.
 
Oh and as far as twist rate goes I'm not really sure. My 32-40's are all 1:14 and I think maybe one 1:15. My new 32 Dell rifle probably has a quicker twist because one of the molds it came with is about 250 gr which is far too long to use in a standard 1:14 twist.

I think quicker must have some advantage. A friend of mine who shot lots of schuetzen matches in Alberta and various places in America shot a .32 RKS with a twist of something like 1:11. He was good enough to be the ISSA benchrest national champion a few times I believe.

Chris.
 
boxhitch said:
looks like a problem here?
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Ive got three uberti 1873s in 45 colt. Two of them are short rifle race guns. One was a new in box 24”.
I also have a gun that i bought used but was basically a extremly low round count uberti 1876 in 45/60.
The race guns would have thousands of rounds through them and with those guns i get no leading. With the two uberties that i bought that were like new. The 24” 45colt and the 28” 45/60. Both of these rifles which i probably have over 500 cast bullet rounds through both of them but both give me leading just a head of the chamber.
Both guns are fussy about what they will shoot. Both shoot okay. I keep a scribbler for each of my guns that i keep all my data for each gun in. I dont have my scribbler in front of me but the 45/60 currently shoots if i remember right will keep every shot in a 13” circle at 300 yards. This will ring steel but its not the level of accuracy that im happy with.
My hope is that both guns will break in as i keep shooting them.
I shoot cowboy action side matches and each rifle will need to be able to hit ten targets without cleaning. Thats why im shooting ten shot groups. Ten shot groups was a real eye opener for me about how it opens up group sizes.
 
gunlaker said:
Oh and as far as twist rate goes I'm not really sure. My 32-40's are all 1:14 and I think maybe one 1:15. My new 32 Dell rifle probably has a quicker twist because one of the molds it came with is about 250 gr which is far too long to use in a standard 1:14 twist.

I think quicker must have some advantage. A friend of mine who shot lots of schuetzen matches in Alberta and various places in America shot a .32 RKS with a twist of something like 1:11. He was good enough to be the ISSA benchrest national champion a few times I believe.

Chris.
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They still have these schuetzen matches? Im interested but if they are breech seating and handloading each round on the same case for every shot. Well not enough action for people watching.
Only schuetzen matches i could find on utube were 22 rimfire ( which i have no interest in rimfires) and they were shootong really really close targets.
I wish there was more silhouette offhand or with cross stick shoots with cast bullets going on in Alberta and Saskatchewan.
 
The only schuetzen matches I know of nowadays are in the U.S. I think most people still use a single case when breech seating, although I've heard that many of the people shooting the shorter cases (short enough to need wads) often preload the cases at home, but still breech seat. In my 32-40's and 38-55's I use a single case and a Harrell's schuetzen/pistol powder measure. It's actually more consistent than my rcbs electronic dispenser.
 
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