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Whats your opinion on muzzle brakes?
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I can see that being a pretty good policy. Heck, at close range the brake itself might knock them over
I can see that being a pretty good policy. Heck, at close range the brake itself might knock them over
At that range just bludgeon it with the 25lb gun...
Ethic's?
Perhaps let's get back to the topic then.
Kevin M., thanks for the well worded input. I enjoyed reading your posts. They seem well researched and bring something to the thread. It's wobbled off topic a few times, be a shame to get it locked down.
Perhaps let's get back to the topic then.
Kevin M., thanks for the well worded input. I enjoyed reading your posts. They seem well researched and bring something to the thread. It's wobbled off topic a few times, be a shame to get it locked down.
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/risk...ficers-hearing-loss-blast-sergie-albino-mba-1
Incidentally, NIOSH has a formula sir figuring out how many shots in a day are safe given the amount of hearing protection and effectiveness of earpro. It's kind of sobering....With 31dB muffs you're only allowed 5 shotgun blasts per day.
https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/nioshtic-2/20031787.html
All my rifles have brakes, I love how it annoys the fudds at the range
Just curious why you would love annoying a fellow shooter....
fellow shooters dont get annoyed and usually get to try all my guns at the range and we all have a good time.
Fudds on the other hand are a different bread that get annoyed by everything that doesn't involve sitting on their butts and printing groups.
I set up beside dudes that have cool guns, I stay clear from the ones with crapco SKS's and dudes with chronys out since they are obviously doing load developments and dont need to get disturbed.
Fudds on the other hand are a different bread that get annoyed by everything that doesn't involve sitting on their butts and printing groups.
I set up beside dudes that have cool guns, I stay clear from the ones with crapco SKS's and dudes with chronys out since they are obviously doing load developments and dont need to get disturbed.
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All my rifles have brakes. Most of them have a Surefire brake. When I have strangers shooting around me, I throw my Warden on. Problem solved.
Before this solution, I would always warn other shooters and as a courtesy, I would try to shoot at one end to lessen the effect. Nobody ever complained. I have been shown the same courtesy and have always welcomed shooting with the distraction. It forces me to focus and ignore the rest of the world and remember the fundamentals. It has made me a better shooter.
Before this solution, I would always warn other shooters and as a courtesy, I would try to shoot at one end to lessen the effect. Nobody ever complained. I have been shown the same courtesy and have always welcomed shooting with the distraction. It forces me to focus and ignore the rest of the world and remember the fundamentals. It has made me a better shooter.
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Sounds like common sense to me,
I wouldn't do load development(with and without brakes) at the range anyways or with others around , would just piss people off.
I wouldn't do load development(with and without brakes) at the range anyways or with others around , would just piss people off.
fellow shooters dont get annoyed and usually get to try all my guns at the range and we all have a good time.
Fudds on the other hand are a different bread that get annoyed by everything that doesn't involve sitting on their butts and printing groups.
I set up beside dudes that have cool guns, I stay clear from the ones with crapco SKS's and dudes with chronys out since they are obviously doing load developments and dont need to get disturbed.
The second article is half decent, but itself states that the various agencies have come to no formal conclusion, but the first article is basically a badly written advertisement for a blast shield for muzzle brakes.
Who honestly writes an article talking about the effects of hearing damage to a shooter by doing their sound recording from 4" away from the muzzle? An A2 birdcage (the "brake" used in their testing) and a bare muzzle will be very close to identical from this kind of distance, especially when compared to a purpose designed muzzle brake as opposed to a flash hider/ brake combination. This is a completely irrelevant situation for target shooters and hunters alike. This isn't black hawk down where your buddy has to save your life by shooting with his muzzle inches from your ear...
Going back to the effect on the shooter himself, their own research is virtually irrelevant because of this. What they show us in their own poorly conceived diagrams is that the blast wave from the A2 birdcage and the blast shield is that the vast bulk of the overpressure is nowhere near the shooters ears.
That article in my opinion is poorly conceived and has little to do with this debate.
I've shot a ruger m77 in 300 win mag with a muzzle brake. The recoil was surprisingly mild and it was kinda loud. At a range you should be using hearing protection anyway. I've shot it without and it wasn't that big a deal, just don't do it all the time.
The brakes that seem really bad are the side ported ones.
The brakes that seem really bad are the side ported ones.
I was at the range a couple weeks ago and one of the regulars had a braked 30-378 out for a spin. He caught me a couple times when I was looking through the spotting scope. Every time I'd whack my eye on the eyepiece from the surprise. I don't know why but I found it funny as hell! He also caught me a couple times where we'd squeeze off at close to the same time...talk about flyers! Again, I found it quite funny.
I'm surprised you actually responded to his baited articles with little to no substance on the topic at hand. It is more of a sales pitch for a product than an actual study into the health risks from exposure to light blast wavesThe second article is half decent, but itself states that the various agencies have come to no formal conclusion, but the first article is basically a badly written advertisement for a blast shield for muzzle brakes.
Who honestly writes an article talking about the effects of hearing damage to a shooter by doing their sound recording from 4" away from the muzzle? An A2 birdcage (the "brake" used in their testing) and a bare muzzle will be very close to identical from this kind of distance, especially when compared to a purpose designed muzzle brake as opposed to a flash hider/ brake combination. This is a completely irrelevant situation for target shooters and hunters alike. This isn't black hawk down where your buddy has to save your life by shooting with his muzzle inches from your ear...
Going back to the effect on the shooter himself, their own research is virtually irrelevant because of this. What they show us in their own poorly conceived diagrams is that the blast wave from the A2 birdcage and the blast shield is that the vast bulk of the overpressure is nowhere near the shooters ears.
That article in my opinion is poorly conceived and has little to do with this debate.
Yeah, my bad. I posted it because it contained a few interesting nuggets. I know I've seen a decent article on injury due to muzzle blast pressure even when wearing double earpro, but now I can't find it easily.
I have been doing various brake work since 1968. Popularity seems to come and go over the years and brakes have become increasingly more popular in the last few years.
Typically a customer has a brake installed and a buddy ends up trying it... and the buddy then asks I can install one for him... and then another friend may shoot it and want one too. This year I have installed more brakes than ever.
As to noise. Brakes do not increase the noise level, they do however redirect the noise, and some styles are worse than others. Anyone off to the side of the shooter will experience more noise than the shooter will.
Everyone at a range is supposed to use eye and ear protection. Only fools don't.
Like it not, brakes are here to stay.
Typically a customer has a brake installed and a buddy ends up trying it... and the buddy then asks I can install one for him... and then another friend may shoot it and want one too. This year I have installed more brakes than ever.
As to noise. Brakes do not increase the noise level, they do however redirect the noise, and some styles are worse than others. Anyone off to the side of the shooter will experience more noise than the shooter will.
Everyone at a range is supposed to use eye and ear protection. Only fools don't.
Like it not, brakes are here to stay.
A braked 50 cal can hit 178dB. An unbraked .338 Lapua Magnum can hit 173dB Even with double earpro, that's going to cause hearing damage eventually.
The only real way to prevent hearing damage is to legalize suppressors and encourage their use.
With plugs and good ear muffs, how many db will they protect from? I've been doubling up for years using the biggest peltors and plugs but I still have a few minutes of tinnitus from time to time.
