What's your stance?

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Ok I'm doing my Black Badge this weekend. I've realized that the weaver stance will give me slow recovery shots but that's my stance since I started shooting.

I've tried modified isosceles stance on my last range visit and it did give me quicker recovery shots. The only problem is I got weird elbows so it's not natural for me to do this stance. My right wrist also doesn't feel comfortable, it feels like I'm bending a few nerves.

So what should I do? :confused:
 
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I found that switching from weaver to the "ipsc" stance took awhile to feel natural. However it is worth the effort. After all GM's use it ;)
 
Dual redundant reverse isocoles Dennis Weaver McCloud buffalo stance.

Hey, thigh holsters... I'll have to keep that in mind for the future. One of those would keep the gun away from my flab mound.
 
I use the reverse triple lindy wounded crane stance. I advanced from the stunned new guy look/ snake eyes not really relaxed but pretending to be stance. I'm working on phase 2 of the first stance, but I haven't found a name for it,....thinking about calling it the, "MAGNUM PEI", or maybe just "NUM-PEE".
 
maurice said:
I use the reverse triple lindy wounded crane stance. I advanced from the stunned new guy look/ snake eyes not really relaxed but pretending to be stance. I'm working on phase 2 of the first stance, but I haven't found a name for it,....thinking about calling it the, "MAGNUM PEI", or maybe just "NUM-PEE".
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LOL :D

num pee.... that made me laugh!!

funny posts!
 
mebiuspower said:
Ok I'm doing my Black Badge this weekend. I've realized that the weaver stance will give me slow recovery shots but that's my stance since I started shooting.

I've tried modified isosceles stance on my last range visit and it did give me quicker recovery shots. The only problem is I got weird elbows so it's not natural for me to do this stance. My right wrist also doesn't feel comfortable, it feels like I'm bending a few nerves.

So what should I do? :confused:
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Do the BB with what you are comfortable with now, speed is not a big issue in the course. Accuracy and being consistent with your draw and mag changes are the most important. There is no right or wrong way to shoot, only what works. For you. My style was a bastardized combination of everything, someone once told me, but it worked for me. It was a cross between isosceles and weaver with both elbows bent. Ask Canuck223, he knows how I used to shoot.
OPC X6
 
OPC X6 said:
Do the BB with what you are comfortable with now, speed is not a big issue in the course. Accuracy and being consistent with your draw and mag changes are the most important. There is no right or wrong way to shoot, only what works. For you. My style was a bastardized combination of everything, someone once told me, but it worked for me. It was a cross between isosceles and weaver with both elbows bent. Ask Canuck223, he knows how I used to shoot.
OPC X6
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If I remember correctly, there were two reasons you and the rest of the top 5 IPSC shooters in Ontario were using that modified stance. One was the newfangled comp on the end of the barrel. The second was the built in recoil compensator between the top button of your shirt, and the top button on your pants.:D I can't recall any ectomorphs cleaning up at the time.

All these skinny little trigger jockeys running around now have figured out how to reign in thier elbows and #######s, and look smooth while working the stages. You guys seemed to have figured out early that you don't win by pounding the range floor senseless with your feet, but instead by efficiently moving as little as possible while still getting yourself into the best possible shooting position.
 
Canuck223 said:
If I remember correctly, there were two reasons you and the rest of the top 5 IPSC shooters in Ontario were using that modified stance. One was the newfangled comp on the end of the barrel. The second was the built in recoil compensator between the top button of your shirt, and the top button on your pants.:D I can't recall any ectomorphs cleaning up at the time.

All these skinny little trigger jockeys running around now have figured out how to reign in thier elbows and a**holes, and look smooth while working the stages. You guys seemed to have figured out early that you don't win by pounding the range floor senseless with your feet, but instead by efficiently moving as little as possible while still getting yourself into the best possible shooting position.
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You may recall a certain shooter, first name Raoul, who was definitley what you would call a 'skinny little trigger jockey' who was Provincial Champ two years before I was, that was by far the best shooter in Ontario until he discovered women. And this with a stock length 1911. Or anything else he picked up. He almost won the Miller Invitational one year with 5 misses in the match, shooting against pros like Tom Campbell. He hunted with a Ruger #1 in .458.
You are right on with economy of motion. That is key. We used to call it 'dwell time'. The top shooters had very little of it, that is any time or motion that wasn't condusive to a high score.
It is possible to shoot a stock 1911 by balancing it on the middle finger and thumb while squeezing the trigger very carefully with the trigger finger, using no strength at all to restrain it. (Ask me how I know this) It will buck and jump, but it won't leave your hand (Unless maybe it goes full auto. Don't ask me how I know this!). I would practice on range #2 this way with a bullseye target with 2" white center (might have been a 100yd rifle target) with the intention of shooting out the white part, and I did.
My point is, great strenght or body mass (I have lots of the latter) is not necessary to be a great shot. Study Doug Koenig. About the same size as Raoul, and nobody has been more successful in action shooting than him.
OPC X6
 
When interviewed by AH Cameron Hopkins, Mike Plaxco admitted that he would have won the IPSC US Championship with a stock gun instead of his new fangled compensator (he made the first popular comp gun). He said it didn't matter. What did matter was shooter confidence in his equipment. If his perception was that his equipment wasn't good enough, wasn't what Leatham or Plaxco or Koenig were using, then he couldn't compete with them. I was as guilty as any, in that regard, its just that I always went flat out, balls to the wall, let the brass fall where it may (and the no-shoots)
Bill Wilson was another. He won Second Chance one year, as I recall, before he started selling his Accu-comps, with a 5" 1911.
 
I was only sort of joking about my stance. I started with a weaver, went to an isoceles, and over the years, slowly started incorporating bits and pieces of other stances into what now probably has no name, but is comfortable for me. My stances allows me to acquire my targets quickly and consistently (hitting them is another matter) because I practice it on a regular basis.
 
I'm not an expert IPSC guru or anything, but what I learned from watching and taking a course or two is that the "stance" is a very fluid and personal thing and that most top shooters don't actually use a stance per se. Generally they're moving and shooting so the upper body might be in some variation of isoceles, but their lower body is pointed someplace else and on the move.

That said, if you do some looking into it, the really high end guys (Brian Enos, Rob Leatham, Matt Burkett) don't recommend a push/pull thing. Why exert force in the same direction as the recoil? Their recommendation is much like OPCx6 suggests, more relaxed, as relaxed as possible while still remaining safely in control of the pistol.
 
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